If you FOSx2, all OBLISERV is waived. You exit on timeline, per (I believe) the MILPERSMAN. You do have to affiliate with the reserves (SELRES, IRR-VTU, or IRR-ASP) to get the severance pay, unless you’re ineligible for some reason.
I only ask that because it seems that alot of Marines are intentionally punting 0-4 boards vice actively trying to get promoted. I.e. As long as you did the minimum required things (PME, Picture, PFT, Pistol) You’re more than likely going to make 0-4 as an Aviator in the Corps. As long as you didn’t have consistently poor fitreps (...which based on flight and ground job progression isn’t ridiculously hard). There are always a hand full of guys who get passed for unknown reasons but that number is usually pretty low.
Is this also a thing for Navy guys trying to intentionally 2xFOS for O-4 - presumably wanting to go airlines with a fat severance check in hand? Doesn't seem like a bad idea - especially for FTS and AD dudes lucky enough to be on flying orders with currency. Do they somehow demand a 'P' or some other hit to guarantee a 2x FOS on an otherwise decent record? Is this actually a thing?
Is this also a thing for Navy guys trying to intentionally 2xFOS for O-4 - presumably wanting to go airlines with a fat severance check in hand? Doesn't seem like a bad idea - especially for FTS and AD dudes lucky enough to be on flying orders with currency. Do they somehow demand a 'P' or some other hit to guarantee a 2x FOS on an otherwise decent record? Is this actually a thing?
Had a long talk with a valuable mentor of mine on this very topic. Mostly we disussed the integrity of the process - it's called "involuntary separation" pay after all - it shouldn't be someone who is purposely bombing to cheat the taxpayer. I ended up going all in on the board for this year and think I'll make O-4 but not DH and will probably resign anyway. We will certainly see, but I sometimes wonder if I made the right decision - is this an integrity issue, or should I "not hate the player, hate the game?" I have genuinely tried to do right over my career and I am often frustrated with the results that those who do not seem to get ahead, and this is one more example of it.
Is this also a thing for Navy guys trying to intentionally 2xFOS for O-4 - presumably wanting to go airlines with a fat severance check in hand? Doesn't seem like a bad idea - especially for FTS and AD dudes lucky enough to be on flying orders with currency. Do they somehow demand a 'P' or some other hit to guarantee a 2x FOS on an otherwise decent record? Is this actually a thing?
That’s awesome that you have a mentor that you trust like that.Had a long talk with a valuable mentor of mine on this very topic. Mostly we disussed the integrity of the process - it's called "involuntary separation" pay after all - it shouldn't be someone who is purposely bombing to cheat the taxpayer. I ended up going all in on the board for this year and think I'll make O-4 but not DH and will probably resign anyway. We will certainly see, but I sometimes wonder if I made the right decision - is this an integrity issue, or should I "not hate the player, hate the game?" I have genuinely tried to do right over my career and I am often frustrated with the results that those who do not seem to get ahead, and this is one more example of it.
Small point of order...FTS don't get a severence. They get what is essentially an interest-free loan.
I think that goes for Active Duty, too.
If I read the instruction correctly (a few years ago when they got me), the money is only required to be paid back if there’s a pension at the end, though. And as it turns out, VA disability payments also don’t actually get paid until the “indebtedness” is gone.
If I read the instruction correctly (a few years ago when they got me), the money is only required to be paid back if there’s a pension at the end, though. And as it turns out, VA disability payments also don’t actually get paid until the “indebtedness” is gone.
Does it have to be a USN gig? Can I go straight to the Air National Guard?