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[GUN] 357 or 45?
- Thread starter TheBubba
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Well as far as pulling stats out of my as squeeze I will leave that up to your mom. All you have to do is google search any of these things. Its all avaliable on the net. The local highway patrol switched from 45 to 357. The local cops went from 40 to 357 and the fbi does still use the 10mm. As far as ammo I use buffalo bore. Once again if you will take the time to look it up you to can find this company on the net. I shot remington hard ball ammo for practice it cost 11.50 for a box of 50 not to bad.
kls said:
Ad hominem attacks will get you far... especially within your first 5 posts.
evidence that you are wrong:
The standard issue handguns for the FBI are the Glock 22/23 (.40S&W) and the Sig P229 (9mm or .40S&W). The standard issue handgun for the DHS is the Sig P229 (9mm or .40S&W) which isn't even available in 10mm. The standard issue handgun for the vast majority of police forces is the Glock 17 (9mm) or Glock 22 (.40S&W) (looking for the link) Just because your local LEOs may have switched to 10mm or 357Sig does NOT mean that it is the norm or a better round. The fact that 10mm and 357Sig is expensive and harder to find is not because LEOs are buying it up left and right... it's because they are semi-exotic rounds that are not that common.
Issue Handguns
http://www.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632,Soldiertech_SIG,,00.html
Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness - FBI
http://www.firearmstactical.com/pdf/fbi-hwfe.pdf
SDPD Forensics Study
http://www.firearmstactical.com/afte.htm
Reality of the Street? A Practical Analysis of Offender Gunshot Wound Reaction for Law Enforcement By Shawn Dodson
http://www.firearmstactical.com/tacticalbriefs/volume4/number2/article421.htm
Chuck Hawks article (well-respected firearms guy)
http://www.chuckhawks.com/beginners_stopping_power.htm
Independent Test
http://apollo.demigod.org/~zak/firearms/fbi-pistol.php
Some Common Handgun Ballistics:
Type, Weight, Muzzle Vel, Force
.357 SIG 125 grain 1350 fps 3.332931940 m kg / s
.40 S&W 180 grain 1010 fps 3.590678670 m kg / s
10mm Auto 200 grain 1200 fps 4.740169860 m kg / s
.45 ACP 230 grain 835 fps 3.793123430 m kg / s
Baseball 149 grams 100 mph 6.660896000 m kg / s
Brett327 said:
I prefer a LARGE hand towel ....
Damn, this kept me laughing for the last few pages...
My own experience is largely confined to the two 1911s that I own, but I also have experience with SIG's excellent 220 (.45acp), the so-so Beretta M9, a couple of H&K USPs (great but expensive), and numerous Glocks (I liked them too). I tried many types before I settled on the 1911. I liked my basic Colt so much I spent three times as much on a semi-custom Wilson. Was it worth it? Considering that it's never, ever malfunctioned, and I can hit a little better with it, I say yes. The Colt holds a special place in my heart, but it's failed me a few times with good factory ammo and quality mags (mostly when other people are shooting it with a poor grip, though).
SIGs are a close second to the 1911. The ergonomics and reliability are definitely on par. The deciding factor is that I find a faster, more accurate first shot is achieved with the 1911. Wiping off the safety and pulling a single action trigger seems preferable to transitioning from the first long, heavy double action pull of the SIG to subsequent single action pulls. With that said, I'd gladly carry a SIG if it was issued.
I used to worry about ballistics, but all the time spent researching that mumbo-jumbo and debating caliber can be better spent practicing at the range. Or finding new uses for tube socks...
My own experience is largely confined to the two 1911s that I own, but I also have experience with SIG's excellent 220 (.45acp), the so-so Beretta M9, a couple of H&K USPs (great but expensive), and numerous Glocks (I liked them too). I tried many types before I settled on the 1911. I liked my basic Colt so much I spent three times as much on a semi-custom Wilson. Was it worth it? Considering that it's never, ever malfunctioned, and I can hit a little better with it, I say yes. The Colt holds a special place in my heart, but it's failed me a few times with good factory ammo and quality mags (mostly when other people are shooting it with a poor grip, though).
SIGs are a close second to the 1911. The ergonomics and reliability are definitely on par. The deciding factor is that I find a faster, more accurate first shot is achieved with the 1911. Wiping off the safety and pulling a single action trigger seems preferable to transitioning from the first long, heavy double action pull of the SIG to subsequent single action pulls. With that said, I'd gladly carry a SIG if it was issued.
I used to worry about ballistics, but all the time spent researching that mumbo-jumbo and debating caliber can be better spent practicing at the range. Or finding new uses for tube socks...
Fly Navy said:
They're both top drawer.
If John Browning had lived long enough ... the 1911 would have matured INTO a SIG.