Fun Low Level in a Hornet

[SynixMan]

Do you guys do the same move (roll inverted on a low level to cross a ridge) on NVGs?

 

[Brett327]

Are VFA guys doing LL at night? VAQ doesn't and I'd be surprised if VFA does (and it certainly wouldn't be at 200 AGL).

 

[jmcquate]

I've heard stories of 111s doing low level high speed ingress/egress at night with TFR (can't vouch for the validity). Can't imagine doing it manually.

 

[MIDNJAC]

I've heard stories of 111s doing low level high speed ingress/egress at night with TFR (can't vouch for the validity). Can't imagine doing it manually.

The first 6 didn't fare so well even with TFR.....
http://todayshistorylesson.wordpress.com/2010/03/15/combat-lancer-sees-f-111-enter-action/

 

[jmcquate]

The first 6 didn't fare so well even with TFR.....
http://todayshistorylesson.wordpress.com/2010/03/15/combat-lancer-sees-f-111-enter-action/

Ya, those guys were rushed into deployment. They did a little better after that.

 

[zipmartin]

Believe it or not, the old A-7 guys used to dabble with TFR. This was a patch some used to wear:

 

[Harrier Dude]

Are VFA guys doing LL at night? VAQ doesn't and I'd be surprised if VFA does (and it certainly wouldn't be at 200 AGL).

I'd bet that they do. We do it (or at least we used to....don't know anymore).

Our NSLAT program (300') is evidently gone, but we flew low levels at 500' on goggles as part of our basic NSQ. We did ridge line crossings, but it wasn't usually necessary to go inverted at 500'. Overbank sufficed.

One good tip that I did not heed: Do NOT peek under the goggles. Scared the shit out of myself.

 

[MasterBates]

Yeah. Did that too (looking under goggles). Made me a believer in the goggles real quick.

 

[Brett327]

I'd bet that they do. We do it (or at least we used to....don't know anymore).

Our NSLAT program (300') is evidently gone, but we flew low levels at 500' on goggles as part of our basic NSQ. We did ridge line crossings, but it wasn't usually necessary to go inverted at 500'. Overbank sufficed.

One good tip that I did not heed: Do NOT peek under the goggles. Scared the shit out of myself.

Yeah, but the Marines do some crazy shit with their Prowlers that the Navy forbids. We're limited to 3K AGL on NVGs. Now I'm interested.

Can a VFA guy tell us what your night/NVG LAT training rules entail?

 

[Jim123]

We're limited to 3K AGL on NVGs.

But the jet can go higher than that if you wanted to, right?

Oh... wait... that's not what you meant

 

[usmarinemike]

I'd bet that they do. We do it (or at least we used to....don't know anymore).

Our NSLAT program (300') is evidently gone, but we flew low levels at 500' on goggles as part of our basic NSQ. We did ridge line crossings, but it wasn't usually necessary to go inverted at 500'. Overbank sufficed.

One good tip that I did not heed: Do NOT peek under the goggles. Scared the shit out of myself.

It's still in the T&R as a 4000 level code with a 300 foot minimum performance standard. The only mention of the word night in the LAT section of the ANTTP is in the section about eyeball physiology.

 

[Harrier Dude]

It's still in the T&R as a 4000 level code with a 300 foot minimum performance standard. The only mention of the word night in the LAT section of the ANTTP is in the section about eyeball physiology.

So do you still do night systems low levels?

 

[rondebmar]

Believe it or not, the old A-7 guys used to dabble with TFR. This was a patch some used to wear:

Yeah ...the REAL old guys did it ...long before a patch came about! Chased FRPs (VA-147 - which introduced the A7 to the combat scenerio) ...northbound up a highway just east of the high Sierra, west of Hawthorne NV ...where the USN had an ammo depot ...200' AGL ...nights black as a coal mine ...TF Radar, TF AFCS ...chase/IP stepped UP in free cruise, of course ...yikes!! :-(

 

[usmarinemike]

So do you still do night systems low levels?

It might depend on your definition of DO. There's a syllabus for NS LAT in the T&R, and there's a syllabus for NS LATI, but whether or not squadrons actually have a need/want to fly them is a bit beyond my n00b understanding of the world.

 

[Harrier Dude]

It might depend on your definition of DO. There's a syllabus for NS LAT in the T&R, and there's a syllabus for NS LATI, but whether or not squadrons actually have a need/want to fly them is a bit beyond my n00b understanding of the world.

I heard that NS LAT was just plain gone. It's not something that anybody is going to do much of anyway. It's good to see as an exposure event, but probably not a very relevant day to day skill.