Grapeape
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Is there a specific reason why you recommend the marines?
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Officer Recruiter Problems and the Pilot Board
subreservist
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Only because I don't know their requirements.
Grapeape
Member
Ah ok thank you. I just emailed them.
exNavyOffRec
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I rarely worked with anyone less than a 3.0 just because the odds were very slim, I would be upfront on the what the stats were, if they chose to move forward and they met the PA were had to let them submit, the way around that is if the NRD/NTAG wanted to hold a field reject board, but no one ever did as it was easier to let them apply and the board say no.
I don't remember and can't find min GPA in the Officer cruitman, I am pretty sure that for education and age requirements the PA overrides the cruitman, of course that stats speak for themselves, odds of getting picked up with that low of a GPA are incredible slim if at all, I just wonder why they let him take the ASTB, and if they don't want to work with him due to his GPA just be honest with the guy tell him odds are slim and see what he says. My thing is it sounds like they have a CPO in the middle of ND that is an enlisted recruiter trying to play OR and doesn't know the rules enough to give this kid the straight scoop.
Grapeape
Member
In my OR's defense, I was already set to take the ASTB before he had my transcripts. I started at 1 college and transferred to another.
The college I started at had a very low GPA.
The college I graduated/transferred to from I had a 2.46 GPA.
So where can I go from here?
subreservist
Well-Known Member
Recently had a SEAL apply. Their PA doesn't require the ASTB/OAR, so never pushed any SEAL applicants to do it and was never called out on it on my previous SEAL applicants (each of them selected to SOAS without OAR). This year, was called out by NRC processor that its required and, of course, I pointed out the PA, but was schooled that ALL OCS applicants except a few (SEAL not one of them) requires a minimum of 35 per CRUITMAN unless the PA specifies differently.
At least got me into a portion of the manual I didn't know about and believe in the same section specifies the gpa minimum also (when not specified by PA) - I plan to check first thing tomorrow. It's definitely not something every processor knows about it or enforces.
exNavyOffRec
Well-Known Member
like @subreservist said try the USMC, and it looks like he will look tomorrow in the cruitman, I didn't find it but that doesn't mean he won't, but even then if he doesn't want to work with you due to your GPA he could slow roll you in favor of candidates that have a better chance of selection, or the NTAG could do that too.
exNavyOffRec
Well-Known Member
I honestly don't remember if my SEAL candidates took the OAR or not, I want to say they did but each one was an academic genius so it was probably was that I wasn't concerned.
I ended up getting to know the officer cruitman quite well, which is why the NRD would have me review applications to save the processors time. It is amazing how if you know the cruitman that applications you submit tend to move through the process easily LOL.
Grapeape
Member
Awesome, Thank you @exNavyOffRec and @subreservist, I appreciate your time, and will follow up with the Marines tomorrow. Thanks again.
Probably like knowing DTS, or the PERSMAN, or various other deeply boring but useful topics. They can't f* you if you know why they can't f* you.......or maybe you just know to use their "preferred routing" the first time
Dude, if you want to fly for the Navy, just keep trying. You've got the time to adjust course on your recruiter situation. ANG seems like real good living, but every organization has its issues/baggage. Do the research to see what's the best fit for you. You shouldn't be desperate to take whatever you can get at this point if you're 21 years old with good stats.
It is good to at least sound humble when trying to get someone to agree to let you start applying for an aviation program. “Entertain[ing] the idea” of joining the most selective aviation unit in the country does not sound humble.
Grapeape
Member
unfortunately
Well said. You are correct, and maybe I came off a bit unappreciative. I would be honored to fly for any branch of the military in any way shape or form. I was mainly looking for opinions on what would be the best way to fly any attack or fighter.
Sorry if I came off a bit brash.
The answer to your first question no one will be able to answer for you, as you're years away from that, and so much can change that any number given to you won't be relevant. Every service has mins that you have to fly to maintain currency. Part timers in the ANG still have to meet those mins. There are about 70-90days a year (give or take depending on a few things) that you'll spend at your unit flying or doing other stuff as a drilling status guardsman.
The other question has been answered about a million times around the board. The answer is a lot. Your FITREPS are based on your ground job performance, and not really on how well you fly. You'll have entire tours where you won't fly. That tour will probably be on a boat.