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Kneeboards For New PCL's
- Thread starter heynowlookout
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I've seen those straps. They're just like these, right? G-Suit strap
Okay, not looking to get crucified here - just wondering.
How in the %$#! is a checklist managed in the Navy? I know - I'll probably get 8th grade level instruction on this later (like everything else in DoD) so this is mainly out of curiousity. I have the PCL, then I have a preflight handout with a bunch of papers stapled together that has split-pages printed in the back that appear to be made to go into checklist sleeves, and then some more pages somewhere around here that are in the same format. When do I use what and where does it go?
The Navy gave me an empty checklist - what goes in there and which one do I use when flying?
How in the %$#! is a checklist managed in the Navy? I know - I'll probably get 8th grade level instruction on this later (like everything else in DoD) so this is mainly out of curiousity. I have the PCL, then I have a preflight handout with a bunch of papers stapled together that has split-pages printed in the back that appear to be made to go into checklist sleeves, and then some more pages somewhere around here that are in the same format. When do I use what and where does it go?
The Navy gave me an empty checklist - what goes in there and which one do I use when flying?
It'll be a race to see who responds first, I can see...
You've got a couple of things there. The PCL is what you'll use in the aircraft. The paper version of the checklist has extra stuff on it like the script of what you're supposed to say when ("Battery above 10 volts, ignition light on, oil pressure light off, blah blah blah"). You can use that to study for the CPTs but they'll take it away from you after your first couple of CPTs. The empty "blue brains" is for whatever you want to put in there. Things like your kiddie approach plates (which you haven't gotten yet, probably) and the TW-x On Scene Commander checklist. As a student, you won't need a whole lot in there. You'll see IPs w/ more in there for various reasons, and it might not all be flight school stuff. I had one for the fleet that was my own, plus we had squadron blue brains w/ local/tactical info.
Hopefully that made sense.
You've got a couple of things there. The PCL is what you'll use in the aircraft. The paper version of the checklist has extra stuff on it like the script of what you're supposed to say when ("Battery above 10 volts, ignition light on, oil pressure light off, blah blah blah"). You can use that to study for the CPTs but they'll take it away from you after your first couple of CPTs. The empty "blue brains" is for whatever you want to put in there. Things like your kiddie approach plates (which you haven't gotten yet, probably) and the TW-x On Scene Commander checklist. As a student, you won't need a whole lot in there. You'll see IPs w/ more in there for various reasons, and it might not all be flight school stuff. I had one for the fleet that was my own, plus we had squadron blue brains w/ local/tactical info.
Hopefully that made sense.
Got it. I think. hehe The PCL is a pretty cool layout, though a little awkward. When running a checklist in the Navy, is it the same way as we do it? As in, it's pretty much expected that you know what you're doing, but you will have the checklist out and do the appropriate challenge/response to the items that require it as you go along.
I did see some OSC stuff, but I haven't gotten through all of the errata sheets yet so I'm not sure if I have any approach plates or anything yet.
Thanks for the heads up! Different from the AF way, but I don't see why it won't work. Just another habit to break. And re-learn in 7 months...
I did see some OSC stuff, but I haven't gotten through all of the errata sheets yet so I'm not sure if I have any approach plates or anything yet.
Thanks for the heads up! Different from the AF way, but I don't see why it won't work. Just another habit to break. And re-learn in 7 months...
From what I understand, it's the same way you're used to. We just have more memory items (or bold-faced for you ascotted ones). The actual description of what to do is in the NATOPS, but yes, you challenge, do the appropriate action, and then read the reply.
gatordev said:
Hrmm...
I think most tacair types would say the PCL stays buried somewhere until an emergency comes up. We have a good gouge checklist that takes care of all the standard stuff and the takeoff/landing checks can be brought up by the computer. Generally checklists are done by memory, looking at the kneeboard just to make sure you didn't miss anything.
When he gets there, he can do it that way, but since he's in Primary...
And I'm sure every community is different. Where I'm from, you use the checklist and don't do the challenges from memory (the actual procedures you do from memory, of course). That's not to say that you aren't running through the steps at the same time the copilot is opening his mouth, but you still use it.
It's interesting to see how the TacAir community has it's own checklist in addition to Natops. I guess that's where maybe the original blue brains checklist idea came from. It's a big no-no in certain other communities.
And I'm sure every community is different. Where I'm from, you use the checklist and don't do the challenges from memory (the actual procedures you do from memory, of course). That's not to say that you aren't running through the steps at the same time the copilot is opening his mouth, but you still use it.
It's interesting to see how the TacAir community has it's own checklist in addition to Natops. I guess that's where maybe the original blue brains checklist idea came from. It's a big no-no in certain other communities.
Okay then - same animal, different name. Coming from the community I was in, using anything other than official checklist while doing procedures will get you hooked. And quick. Of course, you can add anything you want to help out the SA, so long as it is marked TRAINING USE ONLY.
Question for you guys in Tacair - (this is exaggeration here for clarity, I know no one would EVER do this...) what if you landed gear up because you weren't using the published checklist? In other words, is that the way it's supposed to be, or just "the way it's done?" (Feel free to deny and/or make counteraccusations if the answer SECRET/NOAIRFORCE)
Question for you guys in Tacair - (this is exaggeration here for clarity, I know no one would EVER do this...) what if you landed gear up because you weren't using the published checklist? In other words, is that the way it's supposed to be, or just "the way it's done?" (Feel free to deny and/or make counteraccusations if the answer SECRET/NOAIRFORCE)
TurnandBurn55 said:
Yep, in T-45 land, we don't touch the PCL unless it is an emergency, and even then if you can get someone else to read it to you (base, wingman, etc), all the better.
Our standard checklists are pretty much done by memory because speed (and accuracy) is the name of the game.
The "gouge" checklists we have on our kneeboards is approved by CTW-1 for use in the airplane.
As far as landing gear up... you have the takeoff and landing checklists in front of your face on the instrument panel.
Fly Navy said:
I dont care what you fly memorizing checklists is bad, being very familiar is good. They are checklists for a reason. Dont be the guy that has a engine fire or something on start and not have the PCL out.
I didnt know any better at the time but Ic ant believe the training command gets away with changing NATOPs checklists. A guy I knew going back as an IP did his first CPT in Corpus and busted out his NATOPS PCL and started the procedures to start the airplane and Sim guy X starts yelling (apparently it happens to IUTs as well).
This must be a helo vs. pointy nose thing (and the prop guys can chime in) because you don't do anything w/out a PCL in hand.
@Skid, they don't yell at you anymore, because of what happend w/ the guy and not turning on his lights (as discussed in another thread), so now they teach to use the PCL. There's still some IPs who use blue brains (I've been told), but it's not right, as per Stan.
@Skid, they don't yell at you anymore, because of what happend w/ the guy and not turning on his lights (as discussed in another thread), so now they teach to use the PCL. There's still some IPs who use blue brains (I've been told), but it's not right, as per Stan.