Btw in case it wasn’t obvious I wasn’t calling anyone a POS. I guess that first line was left over from something I started to post earlier
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I’ve Had Covid - Am I Obligated to Tell?
- Thread starter Chalybeate
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I don't know where you are, but down in the southeast our wing is handling close contacts as "get tested at the clinic, and stay home until the result comes back negative." I wouldn't call them test-happy, as they aren't shoving a Q-tip down everyone's nose with a sniffle. But, they aren't being lax either. A family member of mine tested positive after I was home for christmas. I let doc know and he had me get a test and stay at home until the results came back negative (which thankfully they did).
Close contact with a known positive is a two-week quarantine for us. No test unless you have pretty solid symptoms.
Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
There's a NAVADMIN about this. Like any policy, YMMV wrt level of adherence and commands may have to modify from baseline (with first flag permission) to meet their needs. The "close contacts may return to work with a negative test" is from an older rev. It now requires 7 day minimum for non-operational commands and 14 days for operational commands, unless you're vaccinated.
With that, for AD servicemembers there is a clear policy on what to do if sick which starts with calling the 24/7 1-888-navy-med. People should not be randomly getting COVID tests because they're curious, because they're bored on a Saturday afternoon, because their dad is a doctor, or any other reason other than being told to get one by a military healthcare provider. People should not be getting antibody tests except in exceptional circumstances and when recommended by a military healthcare provider. We also encouraged people to talk to their spouses about how COVID tests are limited and they should not get one unless referred by a doctor. It's really annoying to have to ROM someone for 7-14 days because their wife got a CVS rapid test when she was tired and had a stomach ache. A bit of a gray area is whether a spouse who self-refers counts as a PUI. For these kind of cases we started talking to the doc and asking if he would refer the patient had they come in....if he said no then we didn't consider them a PUI. Again YMMV. The reporting criteria for a positive test implicitly assumes the symptoms or exposure was recent.
If the member and their families adhere to the above, no one has to answer silly questions like what to do when they took an antibody test for no reason 3 months ago and it came back positive.
Relevant snippets below.
With that, for AD servicemembers there is a clear policy on what to do if sick which starts with calling the 24/7 1-888-navy-med. People should not be randomly getting COVID tests because they're curious, because they're bored on a Saturday afternoon, because their dad is a doctor, or any other reason other than being told to get one by a military healthcare provider. People should not be getting antibody tests except in exceptional circumstances and when recommended by a military healthcare provider. We also encouraged people to talk to their spouses about how COVID tests are limited and they should not get one unless referred by a doctor. It's really annoying to have to ROM someone for 7-14 days because their wife got a CVS rapid test when she was tired and had a stomach ache. A bit of a gray area is whether a spouse who self-refers counts as a PUI. For these kind of cases we started talking to the doc and asking if he would refer the patient had they come in....if he said no then we didn't consider them a PUI. Again YMMV. The reporting criteria for a positive test implicitly assumes the symptoms or exposure was recent.
If the member and their families adhere to the above, no one has to answer silly questions like what to do when they took an antibody test for no reason 3 months ago and it came back positive.
Relevant snippets below.
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What I hear is you don’t encourage any freedom of healthcare amongst your Sailors and their families and feel you are authorized to invfluence their dependas in their own personal healthcare choices, as well as delve into their HIPPA protected information...
Now that’s some intrusive leadership boys and girls, someone get this guy an EP and a NAM...
Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
You hear wrong. What you should have heard is that people shouldn't be self-diagnosing COVID without consulting a healthcare professional through the proper channels. Additionally, when you talk about 'freedom of healthcare' you should also educate yourself on navy policy wrt healthcare for active duty servicemembers. Pro-tip: it's owned by the CO, not the member. If you don't like it, then find another line of work.
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Yes and no. If someone wants to go out in town and get a test, they are 100% free to do so, and nobody in that Sailor’s CoC should be throwing shade on them for doing so. The idea that a member’s healthcare is “owned” by their CO is a pretty fucked up way to look it. The CO is entitled to be informed about certain aspects of a member’s healthcare, and can have input on things like the timing or authorization of some elective procedures when they might impact readiness, but it is a benefit the service member is entitled to largely use as they see fit.
Spekkio: “You hear wrong. What you should have heard is that people shouldn't be self-diagnosing COVID without consulting a healthcare professional through the proper channels. Additionally, when you talk about 'freedom of healthcare' you should also educate yourself on navy policy wrt healthcare for active duty servicemembers. Pro-tip: it's owned by the CO, not the member. If you don't like it, then find another line of work.”
Please enlighten me on how the command has any rights to the healthcare aspects of a spouse/child? As long as my Sailors answered the COVID questionnaire, we went down the path it directed...I NEVER asked about the symptoms of their spouse, or tried to sea-lawyer them into work with the flight doc. Your priorities are wildly misplaced if you care more about keeping someone at work than keeping the organization safe (not to mention letting someone care for their family).
"Have you or any member of your household been exposed to or diagnosed with COVID-19?"
“Yes” end of discussion. Not an opening round of discussion with your leadership about the symptoms of Petty Officer Timmy’s dependa
Waving the bullshit flag on this one. We were encouraged to get regular COVID tests, as much as one weekly, out in town while I was on AD orders at March ARB. California has free drive through testing through Curative. Tests aren't rare, and if the military really wanted to take things seriously, they'd spend money on weekly testing, like the airlines and the Guard units in some states do. They'd stop wasting manpower with BS temperature checks. If you want to know if someone has COVID, you test them for COVID.
We get annual HIV tests because there is a small chance that we might get exposed to it. Our chances of being exposed to SARS CoV 2 is much higher, and the chances of COVID taking down an entire unit is much higher (it's already happened) than HIV/AIDS ever will have.
And the military doesn't really get to dictate what my spouse does for medical care. That's up to her, with the input from her doctors. TRICARE decides what they'll pay for. The military only ensures that she has access to medical care.
Wow, @picklesuit and I agree on something. Weird.
Weird, I just trust my Sailors and treat them like adults with integrity and a work ethic...maybe you are the problem.
I’m actually concerned, I think you, Brett, and I agreed on something...Waving the bullshit flag on this one. We were encouraged to get regular COVID tests, as much as one weekly, out in town while I was on AD orders at March ARB. California has free drive through testing through Curative. Tests aren't rare, and if the military really wanted to take things seriously, they'd spend money on weekly testing, like the airlines and the Guard units in some states do. They'd stop wasting manpower with BS temperature checks. If you want to know if someone has COVID, you test them for COVID.
We get annual HIV tests because there is a small chance that we might get exposed to it. Our chances of being exposed to SARS CoV 2 is much higher, and the chances of COVID taking down an entire unit is much higher (it's already happened) than HIV/AIDS ever will have.
And the military doesn't really get to dictate what my spouse does for medical care. That's up to her, with the input from her doctors. TRICARE decides what they'll pay for. The military only ensures that she has access to medical care.
Wow, @picklesuit and I agree on something. Weird.