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He-Man Woman Haters Club

MasterBates

Well-Known Member
Since you said that Mot, I went and looked at "pilotwife's" profile.

22 year old Marine wife. Oh she must TOTALLY know how everything works in JOPA/LPA and such.

Even if she's married to an older Capt/Maj, she hasn't been around long enough to "get it".
 

MIDNJAC

is clara ship
pilot
Third, big freaking BS call on you guys for claiming that going out and getting wasted is an essential part of your career. It's just not true and you know it so stop pretending and grow up.

In your defense on this one, you are right that it is not essential for success in primary/whiting (unless things are way different there than they were in corpus)......but I'm not going to pretend to know how it is outside of the TRACOM out in the fleet, and I would suggest you do the same until your husband gets there. That and many of us on this forum are a bit older than 22, so I'd take a breather before you tell us all to grow up :)
 

MasterBates

Well-Known Member
I'm currently going through this with my girl of 1.5 years. It's really turning me off. :icon_rage


Don't walk, RUN. Kick her ass to the curb.

If she's pulling this crap to get a ring, what makes you think it will "get better" once she has you by the balls?

It wont. Fire her now, and it's a couple teary phone calls and maybe she screams at you in person then cries. Marry her, and you will get all that, a whole lot more, and probably a bill for your troubles.
 

Sky-Pig

Retired Cryptologic Warfare / Naval Flight Officer
None
Those who have said "The spouse will be there after the Navy"..

Well, statistically, they won't.

Average time a Pilot who does the minimum on AD is on AD - 10 years or so
Average length of marriage in the USA among college graduates - 8.3 years
(source- Census.gov)

So if a spouse starts pulling the "do this or we're getting divorced" and you don't want to. Don't.

You were probably getting divorced anyways. I did some things that were career/life-stupid to appease my ex wide and have seen others do the same.

Actually...since every single officer eventually gets out of the Navy at some point in time...and not every marriage fails...then statistically they will be there.

There are no lies in MBs statement...and if one of the "life" partners is throwing "or else it is a divorce" around...it might be time to start researching good lawyers. Just a different look at the issue.

Stand back while an english major throws out a cople of other high technical statistics:

Percentage of officers on active duty after 35 years: pretty damn low
Percentage of marriages that last (national average): more than 50%

So...the way I see it, I have a 0% chance of still being active duty when I'm 75, bald, scratching my backside every chance I get and continually wondering where the hell my dentures are...and a much better chance of having my wife still be around to tell me that I'm sitting on them.

In the end, the individual must make his/her choice and adjust their work/home life balance accordingly.

In my case, I prioritized my marriage over my career...without any regrets.

That doesn't mean I never went out with the guys...but if push came to shove with CINC-HOUSE I generally chose discretion over valor.

The advice my first skipper gave me (right after his first three rules: Don't sleep with the enlisted chicks, don't drive drunk, and don't piss me off) is still solid:

"Make sure you balance your ground job, your flying, and your fun. Let any one of those get out of whack and you lose effectiveness as an officer and person."

Of course, he was also the guy who liked to say that "he was the head of his household...and that his wife allowed him to say such things".

He is still married.

And...Pickle...all this for a night at Whitey's?:icon_tong
 

MasterBates

Well-Known Member
If the divorce rate is greater than 50% and and the average length of marriage is 8.3 (not the average time when divorced) then the odds are pretty good that while the Navy will eventually come to an end for you (short of dying on AD) that the marriage will end before that.
 

EM1toNFO

Killing insurgents with my 'messages'!!
None
Mr. Pickle.. let me know next time to Whitey's... I'd like a beer or 2... and also.. a big indicator was "La Nopalera isn't THAT busy on a Friday night"... Ha ha... yeah right.. Trying eating there for lunch mid-week.. You still have to wait sometimes..

I'm a "the Navy was here first, but I know you'll be here when the Navy's not" type of guy. Sometimes, work rules, other times home has precedence.

It's worked so far in my 10 years in the Navy and 9 year marriage. BTW, I married someone I met in high school, but never dated until college and after I joined the military.
 

FlyBoyd

Out to Pasture
pilot
Those who have said "The spouse will be there after the Navy"..

Well, statistically, they won't.

Average time a Pilot who does the minimum on AD is on AD - 10 years or so
Average length of marriage in the USA among college graduates - 8.3 years
(source- Census.gov)

So if a spouse starts pulling the "do this or we're getting divorced" and you don't want to. Don't.

You were probably getting divorced anyways. I did some things that were career/life-stupid to appease my ex wide and have seen others do the same.

I would like the exact reference. Everything I found at the Census site says "Duration of marriages that end in divorce." You imply all marriages last an average of 8.3 yrs. The stat does not include people that are still married. A more accurate statement would be...The fifty percent of the marriages ending in divorce lasted an average of 8.3 years. The other fifty percent are still going. My ref is Table #6 here http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/marr-div/2004detailed_tables.html.

My data shows that more than half the guys that get married will have their marriages last longer than their initial commitment....just like mine (14+ yrs now).

I am not trying to rain on your "marriage is bad/I hate the Manatee" parade...just looking for objective/accurate facts to support your arguement above. If I am in error than I apologize in advance, but I fear your slanted view on marriage has distorted the facts.
 

DanMa1156

Is it baseball season yet?
pilot
Contributor
Whats on the Craigslist... USNA is blocking it... ugh.

Anyway, MB - I think what Sky-Pig was saying is statistically, more than 50% of marraiges do work.

And I don't have the statistic off hand, but I remember reading/studying that Naval Officers are (statistically significantly) lower than the national average in terms of divorce rates.
 

acwildcat

New Member
pilot
Whats on the Craigslist... USNA is blocking it... ugh.

Here you go:
Vasectomy: $400. Speechless look on her face: priceless.

Date: 2007-02-06, 2:24PM PST


I'll try to sum up a funny story that happened a few years ago:

I got a vasectomy.

I met a girl soon afterwards. She was nice and attractive but with a selfish streak that raised a big red flag. She was 32 at the time and I could practically HEAR her biological clock ticking. Regardless, she was a good lay, easy on the eyes, and reasonably good company.

I did NOT tell her about my vasectomy and I always used a condom with her to protect against STDs. She assumed, obviously, that the condom was only used for birth control. Silly girl.

We date for a few months. I never made any move towards commitment but she brought it up ocassionally. For me, this was a casual but pleasant relationship. For her - as I was to find out - it was part of life-changing series of events that she was planning very carefully.

Four months into dating, I get the "I'm pregnant" talk. She's going on and on about how the condom must have broke and now we really need to think about getting married "for the baby". She's positively giddy. She has a baby in her and she thinks she's gonna have a good meal ticket (me) to go along with her new 7lb annuity.

At this point, I'm just as giddy. I get to pull the reverse "oops" on her. I figured that she slept with some bad boy and got knocked up. Good thing I was using condoms! Better still that I have a serious mistrust of women who can't think beyond their own uteri.

So I wait a couple of days to "think about all this." I meet her again. I say I don't want kids and that she should have an abortion. I know where this is going and sure enough it goes there. She goes completely batshit insane on me. There were the usual insults about my manhood. There were threats of legal action. It was all very ugly and I was loving every minute of it.

Well, I let her stew for a few days. She leaves me nasty messages on my phone. She sends awful emails. I'm laughing hysterically.

It was time to drop the hammer. While she was stewing I was busy. First I get a notarized copy from the urologist who performed the vasectomy. Next I get a notarized copy of the TWO test results indicating a "negative test result for sperm" to show I'm sterile and shooting blanks. Finally, I get a letter from a shark attorney stating he has seen the other documents and is prepared to litigate against this woman if she continues to communicate with me in such an unpleasant manner. Also, the letter states that we will insist on DNA testing to show that the baby is not mine. I'm ready.

I meet with this woman at her place. I bring flowers and a small bit of jewelry to show I am willing to reconcile and assume my responsibilities as a new father. I also have stuck in my pocket the documents I have prepared.

She's all giddy again. Her plan is going perfectly - or so she thinks. We talk about our future. We have some pretty good sex. Then, as I am about to walk out the door, I ask her the $64,000 question. "Are you sure that this baby is mine?"

Well, she goes batshit insane again. Hell, she ought to. Her plan could completely unravel if there is ANY question about my paternity. Oh, she's really screaming now. How dare I question her morals. Do I think she's a slut. I'm just trying to weasel out of my responsibilities... blah, blah, blah, yadda, yadda, yadda.

I'm not really mad. I'm kind of embarrassed for her. But since she won't shut up and the neighbors can hear all of this, I ask her to step back inside and sit down. She sits on the sofa and calms down a bit. She is glaring at me with all the moral self-righteousness that only a woman can muster up. She thinks she has me trapped. She is 100% convinced her plan has worked. Oh, the tangled web of lies and deceit she has wrought around herself and I am about to hack through them with a few pieces of paper.

I reach into my pocket slowly. I extract the three pieces of paper and unfold them slowly and deliberately.

I tell her simply, "You're screwed".

Her look doesn't change. There is no way she can fathom what I have prepared.

I continue. "I am sterile"

Her look changes just a bit. Something is beginning to sink in. Naturally, she reverts to women's logic. "You're full of shit. You're trapped and you know it."

I hold up the letter and the test results. "Three months before we met, I had a vasectomy. Here is a notarized letter from him stating what I had done. Here are two test results showing that I tested negative for the presence of sperm. Blanks. I am shooting blanks. That baby inside you is simply not mine."

This woman is not to be swayed by logic and clear documentation. "Bullshit, those are fakes."

I was ready for that. "No, they are real. This last piece of paper is from my attorney. It's a simple letter to you that states if you pursue any kind of legal action against me for child support that I will insist on a DNA test to prove paternity, that is, to prove that your baby is not mine."

I give the woman all the documents. She reads them slowly, deliberately. With each passing second she can feel in her soul that she has made a very bad mistake. With denial swept away, she started to cry. It's a small cry at first. Then it becomes deeper and more painful. By the time she gets to the letter from the lawyer she is sobbing.

I had no sympathy for her. I turned and walked out the door. Even after I closed the door I could still hear her sobbing.

Epilogue -

I never heard directly from this woman again. I did hear through my friends that she did indeed have the baby. I also heard that the real father was some guy in a band she had met. I assumed that after 30, women stopped going after musicians, bikers, criminals, and thugs. Silly me for thinking the best of American women.

The Moral of the Story -

Get a vasectomy but keep it a secret.
 

MasterBates

Well-Known Member
I would like the exact reference. Everything I found at the Census site says "Duration of marriages that end in divorce." You imply all marriages last an average of 8.3 yrs. The stat does not include people that are still married. A more accurate statement would be...The fifty percent of the marriages ending in divorce lasted an average of 8.3 years. The other fifty percent are still going. My ref is Table #6 here http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/marr-div/2004detailed_tables.html.

My data shows that more than half the guys that get married will have their marriages last longer than their initial commitment....just like mine (14+ yrs now).

I am not trying to rain on your "marriage is bad/I hate the Manatee" parade...just looking for objective/accurate facts to support your arguement above. If I am in error than I apologize in advance, but I fear your slanted view on marriage has distorted the facts.

I looked back thru it, (I am looking at a PDF of the same data set I think) and I think the numbers that are causing a disparity is the divorced but remarried is considered married. That being said, I've had a margarita and a couple beers and that my be skewing my ability to correctly interpet data.

I wasn't trying to have a "hate the Manatee" post. I was just trying to point out that a statistically large chunk of marriages will last less time than the Navy will for many pilots.
 
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