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Adversary Squadrons
- Thread starter JIMMY
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jpaviator said:
F(atigue) L(ife) E(xpended) i.e., when are the wings going to fall off??? Closely related to the SLAP program .....
For those who don't know --- EM diagram is semi-shorthand for "Energy Management" diagram .....UInavy said:
I haven't checked diagrams anytime recently (*sniff*) ... but I'll relate the real world experience(s) from a fading (?) memory bank: an A4 --- even a TA4 with a P-8 engine --- can take an F16 in a slow fight anyday -- if flown properly
. Horizontal sicissors, half flaps, full nose-up trim --- watch out, Lawn-Dart !!! A4 "Tinker-Toy" pictures .... (BTW, these are full size aircraft)
UInavy said:
Good job, UI .... that is an excellent treatise on the basis of EM and some of the basic considerations of air-to-air. Any fighter pilot or fighter-geek wannabe needs to read and heed .....
Good article... read a few on that website before, never quite caught that one...
While we kinda-sorta looked at those in flight school (yes, I can make that past tense now )... it was more of "uhmm... yeah... two-circle fight in the T-2 means you need 280 knots and 15 units AOA"
At what point do you really start to get into comparing dissimilar aircraft? Is that a fleet aircraft/deployment type thing? Or do you start saying getting into tactics of how you want to fight MiG-21s vice MiG-29s in the RAG?
While we kinda-sorta looked at those in flight school (yes, I can make that past tense now
)... it was more of "uhmm... yeah... two-circle fight in the T-2 means you need 280 knots and 15 units AOA"At what point do you really start to get into comparing dissimilar aircraft? Is that a fleet aircraft/deployment type thing? Or do you start saying getting into tactics of how you want to fight MiG-21s vice MiG-29s in the RAG?
WRT fighter communities (and F/A of course)...you'll start get this in the FRS during your tactics/ACM phase. usually later in your training as ACM required a lot of flight time to get a good feel for the jet. You'll study lots of comparison diagrams of your aircraft's E-M diagrams on top of the typical adversaries...noticing the differences. Also you will memorize your aircraft's weapons envelopes...then theirs...
You'll first fly some 1 v 1 similar, then 2 v 1, then disimilar stuff in the same fashion 1 v1 ...2 v 1...2 v 2.....and then move on up to probably at most a 4 v 4 in the FRS. You'll do a lot more in the fleet like 4 v unk or greater. An adversary squadron will provide you with agressor aircraft in the FRS. Or you could be asked to engage a USAF F-15 or F-16 that your FRS flies against on a regular basis. You'll be told what they will be simulating for that engagement.
Before you get to a new AOR, you'll get lots of briefings from an AI weenie (your squardron spy) and fellow squadron mates on the local threats and briefs how to fly your jet to beat them. A real detailed review of E-M stuff and almost always classified.
For example the threat aircraft in the gulf are going to be different than the threat near Taiwan.
Blue Sky Up
Cheers,
G
You'll first fly some 1 v 1 similar, then 2 v 1, then disimilar stuff in the same fashion 1 v1 ...2 v 1...2 v 2.....and then move on up to probably at most a 4 v 4 in the FRS. You'll do a lot more in the fleet like 4 v unk or greater. An adversary squadron will provide you with agressor aircraft in the FRS. Or you could be asked to engage a USAF F-15 or F-16 that your FRS flies against on a regular basis. You'll be told what they will be simulating for that engagement.
Before you get to a new AOR, you'll get lots of briefings from an AI weenie (your squardron spy) and fellow squadron mates on the local threats and briefs how to fly your jet to beat them. A real detailed review of E-M stuff and almost always classified.
For example the threat aircraft in the gulf are going to be different than the threat near Taiwan.
Blue Sky Up
Cheers,
G
Just the two legged one in the middle .....Physicx said:
I just came across a website that is supposed to be a documentary about an Adversary Squadron stationed in Fallon, NV. Looks pretty interesting.
www.dogfight13.com
I'm not endorsing this sight or anything, but thought others might be interested in it. Also, for others that remember the TV series American Fighter Pilots (Air Force Pilot Training) that got canned after two weeks of showing, it is now available in full on www.amazon.com.
Enjoy!!
www.dogfight13.com
I'm not endorsing this sight or anything, but thought others might be interested in it. Also, for others that remember the TV series American Fighter Pilots (Air Force Pilot Training) that got canned after two weeks of showing, it is now available in full on www.amazon.com.
Enjoy!!
Thanks, D_mac: Looks like good stuff from a cursory glance --- and I like seeing some of those "old" guys still doin' it too .....D_mac05 said:
Oh, speaking of "old guys" --- had my 6 month FAA physical yesterday --- 20/10 and 20/15 distant vision (20/15 --- that's the "bad" eye that kept me out of USNA when I was 18 !!!) and 20/20 near vision. According to the hearing test, I can hear a flea fart from 35,000 feet --- so much for the old "LSO ear". Look out Chuck Yeager .....
