T-6B Texan II at Whiting next week?

[statesman]

The Grey looks awesome... I would have to vote no on the black though.

I love the way it looks, but the RAF has the luxury of not training in S. Texas or W. Florida.

 

[Godspeed]

I always found it odd that the Navy uses orange and white for training aircraft... I've always heard it's for visibility purposes, but black is far easier to spot than orange and especially white. Anyone know the real answer?

 

[Cron]

I always found it odd that the Navy uses orange and white for training aircraft... I've always heard it's for visibility purposes, but black is far easier to spot than orange and especially white. Anyone know the real answer?

I would think it's easier to find it on the ground that way...if it crashes.

 

[Gatordev]

It also has to do w/ being a non-combatant, or at least did at one time. Kind of moot nowadays, but SAR aircraft as well as CG assets aren't painted gray either. Also, a black aircraft is tough to see when looking down at it over trees. The dual colors helps break it out easier. Certainly a nice to have when you're beginning to spin and you see orange and white zipping underneath you as you depart.

 

[jollygreen07]

Yeah, the grey T-1's were pretty slick lookin until you had to take one on an out and back in the summer after it had beed sitting in the sun for two days on the line. Nothing as bad as a T-34, but still annoying when you're in the jump seat and the guy in the left seat is taking forever on his checklists.

We used to hate getting grey jets. Guess I don't have to worry about that anymore.

 

[UserName]

My old bud Kiko, in charge of the transition at Whiting, had said their goal is build an intermediate syllabus for those who select tailhook. Using the HUD, stepping up the speed in breaks and such, etc, etc.

I know I'm a bit late on this but....
If they made an intermediate syllabus for tailhook would they make all the studs go through a whole new systems class and everything?

You would have to learn a whole new aircraft. New checklists, EPs, etc..

Unless it was a pretty extensive intermediate syllabus, that might be kind of a pain in the butt to learn a whole new airplane for just a few flights.

And then move on to the T-45 and relearn another right after?

Hopefully someone here tells me I'm stupid and someone thought this through already???

 

[bunk22]

I know I'm a bit late on this but....
If they made an intermediate syllabus for tailhook would they make all the studs go through a whole new systems class and everything?

You would have to learn a whole new aircraft. New checklists, EPs, etc..

Unless it was a pretty extensive intermediate syllabus, that might be kind of a pain in the butt to learn a whole new airplane for just a few flights.

And then move on to the T-45 and relearn another right after?

Hopefully someone here tells me I'm stupid and someone thought this through already???

If you're flying the T-6B, why would you have to learn to fly a new aircraft? It's not for 34 studs.

 

[CommodoreMid]

I know I'm a bit late on this but....
If they made an intermediate syllabus for tailhook would they make all the studs go through a whole new systems class and everything?

You would have to learn a whole new aircraft. New checklists, EPs, etc..

Unless it was a pretty extensive intermediate syllabus, that might be kind of a pain in the butt to learn a whole new airplane for just a few flights.

And then move on to the T-45 and relearn another right after?

Hopefully someone here tells me I'm stupid and someone thought this through already???

The Navy's already doing that for NFOs with the T-1. They do a grand total of 8 flights in the thing for intermediate.

 

[Gatordev]

I know I'm a bit late on this but....
If they made an intermediate syllabus for tailhook would they make all the studs go through a whole new systems class and everything?

You would have to learn a whole new aircraft. New checklists, EPs, etc..

Unless it was a pretty extensive intermediate syllabus, that might be kind of a pain in the butt to learn a whole new airplane for just a few flights.

And then move on to the T-45 and relearn another right after?

Hopefully someone here tells me I'm stupid and someone thought this through already???

Read my post above. They used to do this. You learned the T-2 then "graduated" to the T-45 (or A-4). Yes, two aircraft, two systems, etc, etc.

 

[sundevil_av8r]

I know I'm a bit late on this but....
If they made an intermediate syllabus for tailhook would they make all the studs go through a whole new systems class and everything?

You would have to learn a whole new aircraft. New checklists, EPs, etc..

Unless it was a pretty extensive intermediate syllabus, that might be kind of a pain in the butt to learn a whole new airplane for just a few flights.

And then move on to the T-45 and relearn another right after?

Hopefully someone here tells me I'm stupid and someone thought this through already???

You're stupid...

I believe what he was saying is that you would fly the T-6B for primary, and if you select tailhook you would move on to an intermediate phase where you get to use the HUD and maybe fly a little faster.

To be honest, I don't think that an intermediate phase is necessary. Guys who come from the T-34 do just fine learning the T-45. The HUD takes all of a lesson or two to get used to. Not to mention you aren't even allowed to use it in any phase 1 instrument hops. Also, the T-45 may hit peak speeds much higher than the T-6 but the majority of the flying in phase 1 is done at 200-250 kts, not much faster than the T-6 if at all.

 

[Clux4]

Not the T-6 but not a bad color either.

 

[bunk22]

Read my post above. They used to do this. You learned the T-2 then "graduated" to the T-45 (or A-4). Yes, two aircraft, two systems, etc, etc.

I flew the T-2C Buckeye and it was an easier aircraft to fly, learn (system wise) than the 34. It just went a bit faster than a 34

I believe what he was saying is that you would fly the T-6B for primary, and if you select tailhook you would move on to an intermediate phase where you get to use the HUD and maybe fly a little faster.

Exactly.

To be honest, I don't think that an intermediate phase is necessary. Guys who come from the T-34 do just fine learning the T-45. The HUD takes all of a lesson or two to get used to. Not to mention you aren't even allowed to use it in any phase 1 instrument hops. Also, the T-45 may hit peak speeds much higher than the T-6 but the majority of the flying in phase 1 is done at 200-250 kts, not much faster than the T-6 if at all.

I've heard that there were complaints though about the transition. Don't quote me on that but one of the reasons for introducing an intermediate....also cost savings. It simply costs less to operate a turbo-prop than jet. I thought the T-6 had no issues hitting 250KIAS (at least at lower altitudes) straight and level, let alone nose down. It's max speed is what...315KTAS?? I assume that's in a dive, about 290 straight and level?

 

[Gatordev]

I flew the T-2C Buckeye and it was an easier aircraft to fly, learn (system wise) than the 34. It just went a bit faster than a 34

Exactly.

I assume that's in a dive, about 290 straight and level?

The guys I'd talk to when I would run into them on the road said they'd cruise at about 240 TAS, not much faster than the Wiener, but they can do it higher and therefore hit the winds and such if they need to. That may be bad gouge, but just what a couple IPs told me.

 

[bunk22]

The guys I'd talk to when I would run into them on the road said they'd cruise at about 240 TAS, not much faster than the Wiener, but they can do it higher and therefore hit the winds and such if they need to. That may be bad gouge, but just what a couple IPs told me.

What's his face at 6 told me he could hit 290KIAS all out down low, about all it had. If so, quite a bit more than the 34.

Here are pics of the new Israeli T-6A Efroni's:

 

[Gatordev]

What's his face at 6 told me he could hit 290KIAS all out down low, about all it had. If so, quite a bit more than the 34.

I wonder if this is like back in the day when you used to cruise around in the T-34 at 170 knots. Going "fast" was pulling 800# and usually the only time you'd do 1015 was on the road. At least that's how it was when I was a stud.

It may be that they do ~240 w/ the studs but it has plenty left to give (which makes sense w/ twice as much HP).

BTW, Bunk, I'm not saying you're wrong, just matching what I heard w/ what you're saying.