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flight time - we only need one thread at a time on this ...

Brett327

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This is where I would usually make a whitty comment, but I will keep this thread in good taste. :D

I almost included a caveat for young, buxom co-eds - they're free to insert me into the orifice of their choice. :D

Brett
 

HighDimension

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Actually no, that isn't what your instrument rating is supposed to allow you to do, in my opinion. In fact, riddle me this batman, you got your instrument rating, you had a whopping, I don't know, 120 hours. Please go ahead and lie to all of us and tell me that your first flight after your instrument rating, you went out and flew approaches down to minimums left and right, not only that, you felt comfortable. You can't bullshiat a bullshiater, I was there once, and I know absolutely no one who did, not me, not students I had, not anyone. I take that back, my CFII when I was a student way back when did, he told me it was the most scared he'd ever been in his entire life, and that just because I got my instrument ticket, if I ever went out on a really nasty day until I got some "experience", he'd kill me if I didn't kill myself.


I definitely agree with this. The first time I flew in the soup after I got my IR was terrifying. I shot an ILS and broke out 200ft above the DH. Since then I've stayed current but I still wouldn't feel comfortable going out and shooting an approach to mins. I could do it if I needed to but I'll save that in case I ever get into trouble.
With that being said, Instrument flying is some of the funnest and most challenging flying I've done. I love the feeling when you do finally break out of the clouds and see the runway dead ahead.
 

MIDNJAC

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Actually no, that isn't what your instrument rating is supposed to allow you to do, in my opinion. In fact, riddle me this batman, you got your instrument rating, you had a whopping, I don't know, 120 hours. Please go ahead and lie to all of us and tell me that your first flight after your instrument rating, you went out and flew approaches down to minimums left and right, not only that, you felt comfortable. You can't bullshiat a bullshiater, I was there once, and I know absolutely no one who did, not me, not students I had, not anyone. I take that back, my CFII when I was a student way back when did, he told me it was the most scared he'd ever been in his entire life, and that just because I got my instrument ticket, if I ever went out on a really nasty day until I got some "experience", he'd kill me if I didn't kill myself.

Hey, not trying to start anything here.....but to answer your question, I had ~ 270 hrs TT and a Comm. ticket when I flew my first real-deal/IMC flight and "yes" I was definitely uncomfortable, and "no" it wasn't to mins.....that would just be stupid. That is not to say however, that during my training (as well as later on when I was more proficient) I didn't fly to minimums....in fact my first ILS approach ever was to w/n a few feet of mins and at night....so close as a matter of fact that the G5 behind us was forced to go missed. I understood your statement to mean conducting an entire flight in IMC vice conducting an entire flight under the hood and possibly peeking out the side. All I was saying was that a competent instrument pilot should be able to take off, navigate, and land in actual conditions, and that I had always thought that this level of competency was what FAA check pilots looked for during IR checkrides.

But this does pose another quesion; do you normally fly to actual minimums in Primary/Int/Advanced?
 

Gatordev

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But this does pose another quesion; do you normally fly to actual minimums in Primary/Int/Advanced?

No. I think I had a local flight entirely in the goo in Advanced only once. Otherwise there's just too much going on w/ other traffic to try and teach a guy in actual conditions. Now, once on the road, it's more common, depending on the weather at the time, obviously.
 

skidkid

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doesnt matter, youre under the bag anyway so it might as well be down to mins
 

Steve Wilkins

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not to be a smart@ss here, but isn't that exactly what a pilot who holds an IR rating should be able to do? I know that at least 50% of my civilian IR training was in actual (crappy Pac NW weather) so maybe my experience was different than others, but that seems like meat and potatoes stuff for a competent pilot to me.
It's no conicidence that the vast majority of flight schools (and professional flight schools at that) are concentrated in areas where there is max number of VFR flying days compared to other parts of the country. Given that most CFII's learned to fly IFR in VFR weather, it makes perfect sense why they would teach their instrument students in VFR weather. As a result, the system perpetuates itself. Now, folks that fly in the northeast and the northwest (specifically Puget Sound area) have a much greater exposure to IFR conditions than guys that fly in Florida, Arizona, and California.
 

A4sForever

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......folks that fly in the northeast and the northwest (specifically Puget Sound area) have a much greater exposure to IFR conditions than guys that fly in Florida, Arizona, and California.

Strange but true ... NUW; a.k.a. NAS Whidbey has (and always had) more VFR flying days than ANY OTHER WEST COAST NAVAL AIR STATION ... that's one of the primary reasons it was established in the former cow pasture @ 1942.

nas_whidbey_is-s.jpg



Believe it ....
 

MIDNJAC

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Strange but true ... NUW; a.k.a. NAS Whidbey has (and always had) more VFR flying days than ANY OTHER WEST COAST NAVAL AIR STATION ... that's one of the primary reasons it was established in the former cow pasture @ 1942.

nas_whidbey_is-s.jpg



Believe it ....

all the wind from the 'Sound maybe??

:confused:
 

A4sForever

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all the wind from the 'Sound maybe??

:confused:
Nope ... it's a mixed bag, with some of the strongest winds coming from the SE --- look at a map of Puget Sound/Whidbey/NW Washington and imagine a low with it's anti-clockwise circulation coming in from the Pacific --- comes from the west around the "south" side of the Olympics --- through the Everett-Marysville so-called "convergence zone" --- and right up Saratoga Passage --- presto: strong SE winds at NUW --- watch out!!! :eek:
 

scotty008

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Best of luck to you prior hours guys... The bubbas that showed up at API thinking they were **** hot were the ones that did the worst. Stay humble, and let the experience show once you get to primary.
 

MIDNJAC

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Best of luck to you prior hours guys... The bubbas that showed up at API thinking they were **** hot were the ones that did the worst. Stay humble, and let the experience show once you get to primary.

I'll assume that was a shot at me.....my original comment was just an observation (and a rather off topic one) about Jay's post. I don't think anyone here has said that they are **** hot, will be **** hot in API/Primary/Intermediate/Advanced, or even that prior time is an advantage. I agree that civilian flight experience is not very relevant to military flying (what little bit I have experienced)
 

Steve Wilkins

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Strange but true ... NUW; a.k.a. NAS Whidbey has (and always had) more VFR flying days than ANY OTHER WEST COAST NAVAL AIR STATION ... that's one of the primary reasons it was established in the former cow pasture @ 1942.

nas_whidbey_is-s.jpg



Believe it ....
I do believe it. We've talked about that very fact on here before. However, 1) Whidbey is in a fairly isolated aread from the rest of the 'Sound' and 2) the rest of the 'Sound' is notoriously overcast/drizzling for days and even weeks on end. The summers CAN be good if you're lucky. Why do you think all the locals refer to their coffee as "liquid sunshine"....hmmmm?
 
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