Um, since you were probably never in the Army, have you ever seen We Were Soldiers or Blackhawk Down?
So, Marines do CAS but the Army doesn't? Um, since you were probably never in the Army, have you ever seen We Were Soldiers or Blackhawk Down? I remember a little CAS being called in by those Soldiers.
The question still stands, why can't the Navy provide CAS support for Marines with their F/A-18s?
What is the difference between a Navy and a Marine F/A-18 and why do we need both?
The Air Force doesn't allow the Army to have A-10s, so why aren't the Marines limited to helos and jump jets?
Not quite true, when General McPeak was Chief of Staff of the Air Force in post Desert Strom era, he called for examination of service Roles and Missions. Right off the bat, he offered to give the Army the entire A-10 "fleet" and the CAS mission*.
Now that would've made my switch to the Army worth it!
Didn't the Brits kind of do this with their Harrier fleet, putting all the RN and RAF GR's under one joint wing?
So, Marines do CAS but the Army doesn't? Um, since you were probably never in the Army, have you ever seen We Were Soldiers or Blackhawk Down? I remember a little CAS being called in by those Soldiers.
The question still stands, why can't the Navy provide CAS support for Marines with their F/A-18s?
Not sure why Brits consolidated their Harriers, but would this have motivated you even more? McPeak tried to entice Army to own their battlespace entirely and in addition to shifting the A-10 community to the Army also offered some F-16s and had them painted especially for the CAS mission.
And then we can split the cargo mission between the navy marines and army since they make the heaviest use out of the AF's Cargo fleet anyways. Then we can split the Electronic warfare between the Navy and Marine corps, since they ride in our Prowlers anyways. Then Attack/Strike to the Navy/Marine Corps, considering that Air Force capabilities are rarely if ever the first responders to a new theatre of war (too bad they couldn't move their air bases around quickly and effectively, maybe if they could float?...) Then of course they could loan out their bombers to the Marines and Army so that they could provide their own support to their troops on the ground. Then, the air force could really focus on...refuelling everyone elses birds.
*disclaimer: NOT an aviator, just another average joe who really doesn't see the justification for the Air Forces budget given how redundant they are.
Oh goody, let's qoute movies.
We Were Soldiers = Air Force and Navy air support (remember when they called for Broken Arrow). A-1 Skyraiders, F-111's, and F-4's to name a few which were all Air Force and Navy Aircraft.
Black Hawk Down = Not sure what you're referring to here, but the only thing I remember were minimal gun runs and what not with the helos.
Phrogdriver may not have been in the Army, but I'm pretty dang sure he's a Marine Officer and Naval Aviator so I wouldn't go around being a smartass to him.
Douche, those movie references were in response to Phrogdriver saying that Soldiers don't know what CAS is. My point being Soldiers request CAS often and do it well. Whether it is CAS from the AF or Fires from Army Aviation is not the point.
As for being a smartass, I am sure that Phrog is a Marine Officer, Aviator and a Gentleman, but as a former Army Attack Aviation Officer who was called-in by Soldiers on the ground in Iraq, I take offense when someone says that the Army doesn't know CAS.
You're right, I was never in the Army. Thank god. But to answer your question:So, Marines do CAS but the Army doesn't? Um, since you were probably never in the Army, have you ever seen We Were Soldiers or Blackhawk Down? I remember a little CAS being called in by those Soldiers.
The question still stands, why can't the Navy provide CAS support for Marines with their F/A-18s?
I'm pretty sure ( and again, I wasn't in the Army - but after discussing it for a very long time with the Aviation Master Gunner of an Apache unit I think I have an idea what you guys do) that you don't REALLY know what CAS is, and you're proving it now. If I remember correctly, the Army refers to it as "Close Combat Attack" and doesn't require a FAC/JTAC to control the attacking aircraft (Apache). An Air Force JTAC is embedded with you guys to control CAS from Navy/Air Force/Marines. Hell, even the Joint Pub 3-09.3 gets into how you guys are organized and the planning considerations you have to take into account if planning for Army Rotary Wing CAS.Douche, those movie references were in response to Phrogdriver saying that Soldiers don't know what CAS is. My point being Soldiers request CAS often and do it well. Whether it is CAS from the AF or Fires from Army Aviation is not the point.
As for being a smartass, I am sure that Phrog is a Marine Officer, Aviator and a Gentleman, but as a former Army Attack Aviation Officer who was called-in by Soldiers on the ground in Iraq, I take offense when someone says that the Army doesn't know CAS.
For the record, the Marine Corps invented CAS during WWII. We're pretty good at it.You missed the boat completely then...Phrogdriver was referring to Army Aviation and it's concentration on CAS as a purpose for existence. The Marine Corps simply takes pride in it's aviation's ability to provide CAS. Nobody ever said that "soldiers don't know what CAS is". So take a chill pill and a deep breath and untwist your panties.