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Who gets the T-6 Texan II first?

ChuckMK23 said:
It means that at North Whiting, departures are usually initiated from mid-field intersection, Landings made to approach end.

The AF, when joint UPT was in it's evolving stage, looked at the Navy's non centralized approach to course rules and about had a heart attack. They [AF]think we are nuts!
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Ahhh, I see. I went to Vance, so I got to use the whole runway.

At AF UPT you are always IFR, even in the "FAM" phase. Out of 100ish hours there, I was VFR maybe 10 hours.
 
HH-60H said:
At AF UPT you are always IFR, even in the "FAM" phase. Out of 100ish hours there, I was VFR maybe 10 hours.
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At Whiting I did not file IFR until almost finished with RIs (except for the 3 BI flights in the MOA). My initial RI flights were VFR directly over the NSE class C airspace.
 
nittany03 said:
Yet they dumped a JET primary trainer and spent all this money making a PROP fly like a jet. Yeesh. Although on the whole "need for beta" issue, is there any other airfield in the world which does split-field ops other than Whiting?
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The Canadian's did the same thing, got rid of their CT-114 Tutor's for the Ratheon CT-144 Harvard II (Canadianized version of the Texan II).
Mind you the Tutors are around 40 years old, but it's still one burning instead of one turning.

As a matter of fact these CT-144s aren't even owned by the Canadian Armed Forces, they're Leased from Bombardier Aerospace.

Todd
 
I'm thinking that props are beating out jets due to fuel and life-cycle maintenance costs, not for reasons of flight characteristics.
 
ChuckMK23 said:
and talking to an AF guy at Randolph - the AF sees no need for beta. He reminded me that the T-6 is primarily designed to teach a single seat jet candidate - just as with the auto trim on the rudders, the the behavior to move th PCL to beta is a uniquely turbo-prob behavior - and not one the AF wanted to teach. So not including Beta on the T-6 made perfect sense to our AF comrades.
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Because that's so hard to un-teach. Silly AF. I flew a T-34 and I'm doing just fine on the T-45. I don't ever get the urge to go to Beta and I am quite happy flying with my feet on the floor ;)
 
Hey, what's the rationale behind shooting these long-winded full arcing TACAN approaches in the training command? Every do that in the real Navy?
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Its practice for when you are nordo and need to recover. Since I got a cloud card I have always done vectors to final here in the training command, prior to that though, it was usually the full approaches.

Recover IFR that is.
 
Fly Navy said:
I don't ever get the urge to go to Beta and I am quite happy flying with my feet on the floor ;)
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No more mystery spike under the instrument panel that cuts the **** out of your boots?
 
brd2881 said:
Its practice for when you are nordo and need to recover. Since I got a cloud card I have always done vectors to final here in the training command, prior to that though, it was usually the full approaches.

Recover IFR that is.
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It's called a Case III recovery, something you might want to familiarize yourself with. ;)

Brett
 
Fly Navy said:
What?
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you never noticed that the T-34 had an uncanny ability to destroy the toes of boots? I would come back from flights and have chunks missing out of the toes. I had some friends who cut their boots down to the steel toe.
 
Pags said:
you never noticed that the T-34 had an uncanny ability to destroy the toes of boots? I would come back from flights and have chunks missing out of the toes. I had some friends who cut their boots down to the steel toe.
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Uh, no, never. I"m 5'10". How tall are you?
 
Hey Pags,

You know when you're airborne, you don't need to keep your toes on the brakes. Only when on the ground. ;)

I know people squeeze the black out of the stick and PCL/collective, but I've never heard anyone trying to push the paint off the pedals until their boots fell apart. You sure you weren't on the short, yellow T-34? :)
 
Who the hell would want to recover IFR?!? Lower, slower, circumnavigate, land... You mean you guys can't land in a farmer's field and wait it out? Man, I'm glad I'm a helo guy... (Sorry, couldn't resist) :D
 
phrogpilot73 said:
Who the hell would want to recover IFR?!? Lower, slower, circumnavigate, land... You mean you guys can't land in a farmer's field and wait it out? Man, I'm glad I'm a helo guy... (Sorry, couldn't resist) :D
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No, but we can climb above most weather... ;)
 
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