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UFOs?
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Utahâs desert obelisk has disappeared
Barely a week after it was found, Utah’s mystery obelisk has vanished.
Barack Obama knows the truth about space aliens, government UFO files
The truth is out there — but former President Barack Obama’s lips are sealed. The 44th commander-in-chief confirmed during a Monday interview with “Late Show” host Stephen Colbert…
nypost.com
Guess Obama is another crazy person with an open mind
It is interesting to me that nobody just says "no" in these situations. Doesn't seem like there would be too much to gain for the government to encourage people to speculate that we do have some evidence if we actually don't.
RoarkJr.
Well-Known Member
A Leaked Government Photo Shows ‘Motionless, Cube-Shaped’ UFO
The U.S. Intelligence Community has known about the mysterious object for two years. What could it be?
Here’s another one. I think at this point the evidence is too overwhelming to chalk every single instance of UAP up to weather and crazy people. It seems like there’s a moral aspect to beliefs that are vehemently against the possibility of ET.
What’s interesting here is that the same math that says it’s highly improbable for there to be other life forms also happens to be mathematical evidence against our having generated from a single cell into humans. The probability that an amino acid sequence could result in a successful protein is so astronomically low (10^47) that the likelihood it happened even once is zero.
Sure, ET claims are unfalsifiable for now and therefore not science proper, but neither is the ultimate claim of Darwinism. Oof. The claim that we were just lucky is unfalsifiable and therefore not science. In reality we have no idea. So, to rule out ET existing when science can’t even tell us how and why we got here in the first place seems wrong.
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A Leaked Government Photo Shows ‘Motionless, Cube-Shaped’ UFO
The U.S. Intelligence Community has known about the mysterious object for two years. What could it be?www.popularmechanics.com
Here’s another one. I think at this point the evidence is too overwhelming to chalk every single instance of UAP up to weather and crazy people. It seems like there’s a moral aspect to beliefs that are vehemently against the possibility of ET.
What’s interesting here is that the same math that says it’s highly improbable for there to be other life forms also happens to be mathematical evidence against our having generated from a single cell into humans. The probability that an amino acid sequence could result in a successful protein is so astronomically low (10^47) that the likelihood it happened even once is zero. Sure, ET claims are unfalsifiable for now and therefore not science proper, but neither is the ultimate claim of Darwinism. Oof. There is no evidence we were just lucky. In reality we have no idea.
So, to rule out ET existing when we science can’t even tell us how and why we got here in the first place seems wrong.
Or, or, OR....and I quote straight from the article:
"It’s possible the object may be a GPS dropsonde, a sensor on a parachute that provides info on the vertical profile of a storm."
There are a few different thoughts here and all can be true.A Leaked Government Photo Shows ‘Motionless, Cube-Shaped’ UFO
The U.S. Intelligence Community has known about the mysterious object for two years. What could it be?
Here’s another one. I think at this point the evidence is too overwhelming to chalk every single instance of UAP up to weather and crazy people. It seems like there’s a moral aspect to beliefs that are vehemently against the possibility of ET.
What’s interesting here is that the same math that says it’s highly improbable for there to be other life forms also happens to be mathematical evidence against our having generated from a single cell into humans. The probability that an amino acid sequence could result in a successful protein is so astronomically low (10^47) that the likelihood it happened even once is zero. Sure, ET claims are unfalsifiable for now and therefore not science proper, but neither is the ultimate claim of Darwinism. Oof. There is no evidence we were just lucky. In reality we have no idea.
So, to rule out ET existing when we science can’t even tell us how and why we got here in the first place seems wrong.
- There may be other lifeforms out there. May. And there's a lot of space to traverse. So there could be aliens at the other end of the galaxy and we'd never know. Folks are hanging their hat on one famous theory using basic math and assumptions. There are other theories out there too.
- Pilots see lots of weird crap in the sky. There's lots of crap up there and not all of it is tracked.
- There's a lot of people who REALLY want there to be aliens and jump at every opportunity they can as proof when the more likely answer is something far less stellar.
- That article is pretty silly. Hornet guys saw something. Not sure how anyone can say with certainty that the object wasn't moving. The relative motion between a hornet and a balloon in ambient conditions is pretty high and that would make the object look like it's sitting still. Also see #2. There's lots of weird crap up there and it's growing as more and more people can more easily make their own more capable drones/UAVs/weather balloons/etc.
- The air does weird stuff. The fact that there isn't a drop aircraft above doesn't mean squat. Something could get caught in the various air currents over land and end up running out of energy over the ocean by the hornet. It's like a message in a bottle but in the air.
- Looks a lot like a mylar balloon. Balloons that are round at sea level look different at altitude. Balloons that have been floating around forever look even more different. Folks with kids know that a mylar ballon will stay floating FOREVER but in weird shapes. Especially if you have high ceilings.
A Leaked Government Photo Shows ‘Motionless, Cube-Shaped’ UFO
The U.S. Intelligence Community has known about the mysterious object for two years. What could it be?
Here’s another one. I think at this point the evidence is too overwhelming to chalk every single instance of UAP up to weather and crazy people. It seems like there’s a moral aspect to beliefs that are vehemently against the possibility of ET.
What’s interesting here is that the same math that says it’s highly improbable for there to be other life forms also happens to be mathematical evidence against our having generated from a single cell into humans. The probability that an amino acid sequence could result in a successful protein is so astronomically low (10^47) that the likelihood it happened even once is zero.
Sure, ET claims are unfalsifiable for now and therefore not science proper, but neither is the ultimate claim of Darwinism. Oof. The claim that we were just lucky is unfalsifiable and therefore not science. In reality we have no idea. So, to rule out ET existing when science can’t even tell us how and why we got here in the first place seems wrong.
You serious Clark? Intelligent ET life actually visiting us is not equal probability to intelligent life developing in the first place. Yes, it is an absolute miracle that we are sentient and arguing on a message board about aliens. But, on the scale of the universe, it probably isn't that uncommon. The chances of two ET civilizations interacting though, is probably much, much less likely.
So we can talk about the Drake equation, but that is still going to be assumption after assumption. But lets say it yields something shocking, like 1000 intelligent ET civilizations. We have only been listening/transmitting in the EM spectrum for like 100 years. The galaxy has been around for 13 billion years. It takes light 125,000 years to cross the width of the galaxy. So unless one of these civilizations masters interstellar travel and then decides to travel to every single star system...we're probably never interacting. It's more likely that civilizations destroy themselves or evolve their intelligences inward (think Matrix simulations) before they have a chance of interacting with other civilizations. Fermi Paradox.
Dyson sphere!
RoarkJr.
Well-Known Member
Definitely serious, and I think Hume would take issue with all the assumptions we bring to the table when it comes to ET. What makes us think ET should even be a biological? That we should even be able to interact with them given our limited capacity for empirical observation? That they operate in the same dimension, that they aren’t living in “dark matter” which doesn’t even interact with light? etc etc. Just because we see what we see here on earth doesn’t mean other forms of life need to be the same with the same limitations.
But how would you even know if they were here? Why would dark matter electron clouds show up in what looks like a crumpled mylar balloon? Why not ride on the photons of a rainbow?
Every time I fly over your house I’m riding on rainbow photons ingested by my winged unicorn.
Don’t you ever look up?
As Roark mentioned, this way of thinking is based on so many assumptions that shouldn't be made when we're considering a topic we know so little about (almost nothing). What if Earth was seeded with life by humans/others from another planet altogether, and they are the "aliens" keeping tabs on us? What if what we observe as the universe is no more than a facade that another civilization shows us? You mention the EM spectrum as if that's the only way possible to detect or be detected. What technologies are possible that we can't even imagine? If someone from a mere century ago saw you using a cell phone and you told them you were talking to someone on the other side of the planet, they would think you were crazy and that that was impossible. How can we say what technology another civilization might use to find us here and then be able to travel to us? After all, in the very unlikely scenario that that is the explanation for these events, they already are using technology we can't fathom the science of.
Why pretend we understand things that we clearly don't? Pretending to understand what is or is not possible in the future is doing exactly that.