USN Truman Fire; FA-18C Ejection

[KilroyUSN]

Cell phones haven't been allowed on subs for longer than my time in the Navy because the entire submarine is a secret container, but the typical mantra was "I don't want to see it in operational spaces." My eng almost made my EDMC shit a brick when he allowed people to use iphones for music while field daying the engine room...message was 'there is no way you can accidentally take a picture of something back there with this thing. You have to press multiple buttons to do it. If you do that I will make sure you are punished to the maximum extent of the law.' We had no issues.

However, google 'cell phones on U.S. submarines' and you'll see a slew of recent cases in the press of idiots taking pictures of sensitive information and posting it on the internet. One CO even got fired for this because he ordered the OMBUDSMAN to post a bunch of pictures without the Nav (security manager) reviewing them... one of which had the FCS displayed in crew's mess with the big red SECRET banner on it.

I have heard that the sub force is trying to roll back to the pre-internet era in a draconian attempt to deal with the problem. The only issue here is that small PEDs like iPads are a god-send in an environment with such limited personal space.

Here is one such story. Notice that the IG investigating the idiots who set up the camera to take pics of female officers showering then discovered that there was a 'large breach in security.' We got here because we never adopted policy to match with the reality of shifting tech and culture.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/...ed-with-violating-navy-cell-phone-policy.html

Thanks for elaborating my "see how well that worked out with enforcing that rule". I believe everyone (who follows any sort of news anyway) knows of the huge scandals concerning photos/videos being taken on Sub's. I get asked on a weekly basis about it at work I feel like. Seeing how camera cell phones became popular after I joined the Navy, I saw how command dealt with their popularity and how people attempted to evade the rules.

My point was/is that we have a hard enough time enforcing those rules on a small crew with a more stringent location, than an aircraft carrier.

 

[KilroyUSN]

A gentle schwack from a hammer and a wire brad could solve at least the rear-facing camera option... probably cheaper than the "gov't model" option.
I bet the folks over at iFixit could show how to remove a camera from any number of PEDs more gently. Probably not reversibly, but at least w/o little pieces of glass everywhere.

Edit: here you go, at least for iPhone 6:
Front camera remove/replace - might be reversible, but you'd have to buy a new harness
Rear camera remove/replace - you'd have to fab something to plug the hole - might be reversible.

At least while I was on the boat, those fixes would not have been allowed. The phone had to have been unable to have ever had a Camera. Meaning no hole in the case...ever. That was what brought about the real monetary gov't model pain.

 

[Spekkio]

My point was/is that we have a hard enough time enforcing those rules on a small crew with a more stringent location, than an aircraft carrier.

Absolutely, and it gets harder when the rule is a blanket policy that doesn't give any lee-way to unique situations (like having your living quarters be inside a classified space, even though the lights are out in berthing 24/7). It puts Chiefs and Officers in a tough position to tell Sailors that they can't bring devices that they have been attached to their whole lives onto a ship, particularly where their personal space is already extremely limited. And also in modern times, telling someone they can't have a phone/iPad onboard means that you are telling them that they aren't allowed to communicate with loved ones in port calls. The old timers can beat their chests about walking up hill both ways in the snow but the reality is that you will have a hard time finding a pay phone and using a calling card in 2015, and it's more expensive than just using a smart phone and free wi-fi.

I think rules are generally easier to enforce when they are sensible and you get 'buy in' from all ranks. Much easier to have ET3 Jones tell ET3 Timmy to put his cell phone back in the rack because he doesn't want to lose the privilege of having it onboard than taking every Sailor who smuggles a cell phone onboard to take pictures and skype home in a port call to mast.

 

[Beans]

Reasoned solutions that allow nuance, trust in subordinates, and leeway for leaders to act on the spirit of rules? Oooh I dunno...

 

[707guy]

How did I ever get through deployments in the 80s? I want you kids to remember just what the old man was made of. Deployment without cell phone and email, that is some hard core shit right there.

No doubt! No cell phone, no email, WTF is an internet? And this is hardcore....I had a dot matrix printer and a computer with a (gasp....) black and green screen...

 

[zippy]

How did I ever get through deployments in the 80s? I want you kids to remember just what the old man was made of. Deployment without cell phone and email, that is some hard core shit right there.

6 month Med/ Westpac cruises with port calls every 2 weeks or so, a strong dollar and no zero defect mentality sound so incredibly terrible compared to 10 month cruises at RC with 4-5 ports and beer days to make up for the lost fun .

 

[picklesuit]

Any word on how the aviator/maintainer are doing?

 

[ea6bflyr]

Haven't heard anything other than burns on the maintainers. As for the aviator, heard he broke his femur upon landing.

 

[zipmartin]

No doubt! No cell phone, no email, WTF is an internet? And this is hardcore....I had a dot matrix printer and a computer with a (gasp....) black and green screen...

As an even older guy, I'll up the ante on this........how about no such things as printers or even computers (double-gasp) and having spent 9 1/2 months on a cruise of which 144 days STRAIGHT were spent at sea with nary a single port visit while crossing the equator 4 times after pulling out of Naples, and spending time in the Med, the Atlantic, the IO, and the Arabian Sea before returning to Norfolk. Someone said he joined the Navy to see the world and discovered the world was flat and covered with water. Yeah sonny, you don't know how good you have it!

 

[Uncle Fester]

As an even older guy, I'll up the ante on this........how about no such things as printers or even computers (double-gasp) and having spent 9 1/2 months on a cruise of which 144 days STRAIGHT were spent at sea with nary a single port visit while crossing the equator 4 times after pulling out of Naples, and spending time in the Med, the Atlantic, the IO, and the Arabian Sea before returning to Norfolk. Someone said he joined the Navy to see the world and discovered the world was flat and covered with water. Yeah sonny, you don't know how good you have it!

 

[ea6bflyr]

As an even older guy, I'll up the ante on this........how about no such things as printers or even computers (double-gasp) and having spent 9 1/2 months on a cruise of which 144 days STRAIGHT were spent at sea with nary a single port visit while crossing the equator 4 times after pulling out of Naples, and spending time in the Med, the Atlantic, the IO, and the Arabian Sea before returning to Norfolk. Someone said he joined the Navy to see the world and discovered the world was flat and covered with water. Yeah sonny, you don't know how good you have it!

TWO (or Three?) BEER DAYS! Quit bragging....

 

[squorch2]

 

[zipmartin]

TWO (or Three?) BEER DAYS! Quit bragging....
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We only got ONE beer day, 2 beers per person.......after 100 days at sea.

Where did you find that picture of me?

 

[zippy]

We only got ONE beer day, 2 beers per person.......after 100 days at sea.

Some things don't change.

 

[Pags]

As an even older guy, I'll up the ante on this........how about no such things as printers or even computers (double-gasp) and having spent 9 1/2 months on a cruise of which 144 days STRAIGHT were spent at sea with nary a single port visit while crossing the equator 4 times after pulling out of Naples, and spending time in the Med, the Atlantic, the IO, and the Arabian Sea before returning to Norfolk. Someone said he joined the Navy to see the world and discovered the world was flat and covered with water. Yeah sonny, you don't know how good you have it!

...all done with no shoes and uphill in the snow.