Treetop Flyer said:
Or you went to Vance, where you were one double turn and an 88 ride away from facing an elimination ride. 1 and a half days away from washing out...all the time! Sweet.
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The perennial Navy vs AF flight school smackdown (split from the "What %" article)
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Or you went to Vance, where you were one double turn and an 88 ride away from facing an elimination ride. 1 and a half days away from washing out...all the time! Sweet.
Not so different from Whiting. Those 88s and 89s stick out like crazy on the online flight sked by the way. Makes it really hard for the nonhackers to just fade away.
torpedo0126
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I think thats actually where it differentiates. 88's and 89's at Vance don't stick out. They just become another flight in a normal conversation. People would bust checkrides for such petty reasons, like forgetting to turn the nose wheel steering on when turning onto the taxiway, or saying "um" when giving a boldface during your tabletop. The best reason would be when people would bust for pubs because they wrote the date wrong in the change column or forgot to put the comma in the wrong spot.
How stupid the AF is for focusing on such a useless concept as attention to detail when flying airplanes....
If you honestly are defending putting a comma in the right place, that is ridiculous. The proof is in the pudding. At least in the Navy, students are tested with EPs in the cockpit instead of standing at attention and spouting it off verbally in a room full of their peers. Attention to detail may be one thing, but slipping in an "um" or misplacing a written comma is downright stupid.
Are we going to go down this road again? Both services' methods manage to produce fully functioning aircrew.
Although the "stand up" concept isn't used in the Navy during flight school, it's still just another name for an oral board. Of which you will have several awaiting you over the next few years. The more I hear about stand ups the more I think they sound like HAC boards.
Shucks ... and here I thought you meant Otto was headed for several SPEEDY BOARDS over the next few years ...
And as clueless as I obviously am, I have to ask: Do you really have to verbalize "ABC,"comma", DEF, "period". "GHI", semi-colon, "JKL", comma, "MNO" period.
Because if so, I REALLY do need to study more. In my mind, knowing the EP was more important than the specific grammar and punctuation.... Guess my priorities were fucked.
phrogpilot73
Well-Known Member
I don't really give a shit how the AF does it. It works for them, and it works for the Navy/USMC studs that go there.
As for your eventual HAC boards, no - we don't do what you suggested. However, you had better damn well know why you're flipping a switch/pulling a circuit breaker/moving the flight controls in an EP, and why you're doing it in that order. If you can't explain that - then yes, you need to get in the books more.
As for your eventual HAC boards, no - we don't do what you suggested. However, you had better damn well know why you're flipping a switch/pulling a circuit breaker/moving the flight controls in an EP, and why you're doing it in that order. If you can't explain that - then yes, you need to get in the books more.
Assuming it's not a 'crash & burn' emergency ... a.k.a. not a 'hurry up' emergency/abnormal procedure ... I'm obviously NOT talkin' about engine losses, etc. ....
You ALWAYS need to go the the CB panels FIRST !!! Sometimes you can solve the whole problem by referencing the CBs ... I taught that for 1,000 years and IT WORKS !!! Any airplane, military or civie-street.
If you can unnerstan' and find things on the CB panels (if they are designed properly, and most are ... they will usually represent a 'system diagram') ... then you can unnerstan' WHY you do the procedures.
If you understand the 'why' ... a.k.a. the whole thing makes 'sense' ... you'll stay WA-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-AY ahead of the aircraft (which is the object of the exercise) and you will get it 'right'.
I did it that way in the airlines ... I did extremely well on each & every check-ride for 25 years w/ that philosophy ... and so did my STUDs.
Q.E.D.
You ALWAYS need to go the the CB panels FIRST !!! Sometimes you can solve the whole problem by referencing the CBs ... I taught that for 1,000 years and IT WORKS !!! Any airplane, military or civie-street.
If you can unnerstan' and find things on the CB panels (if they are designed properly, and most are ... they will usually represent a 'system diagram') ... then you can unnerstan' WHY you do the procedures.
If you understand the 'why' ... a.k.a. the whole thing makes 'sense' ... you'll stay WA-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-AY ahead of the aircraft (which is the object of the exercise) and you will get it 'right'.
I did it that way in the airlines ... I did extremely well on each & every check-ride for 25 years w/ that philosophy ... and so did my STUDs.
Q.E.D.
Unless you're in the Rhino which has less CBs than many A/C have CB panels!
Big deal. Box EP, box BLDFC, bring up the APPCH page, box LAND, and box 3WIRE. Problem solved.
True, In fact, I think the only time we touch the CBs is if the DDIs read, "I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that."
You act as if those two concepts are mutually exclusive. Hint: they aren't.
Sounds like trademark AF antics. Unflinching compliance is what the machine strives for, minimizes the potential for an operator to do something crazy like exercise judgement. Truly an inspiring mindset.