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Shooting debrief discussion
- Thread starter Swanee
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My cousin who is a cop in VA says he loves his body cam, as it backs him up whenever he goes to court and refutes many a defendant's claims about what happened. Usually when the defendants find out he has body cam footage he can actually see them deflate a bit right then, a few though continue to deny reality and claim the footage isn't real.
ABMD
Bullets don't fly without Supply
Start at home where parents teach kids personal responsibility for their actions. It isn't always someone else's fault for your mistakes. Next we could move to the courts. Not a lawyer or a judge, but I have to imagine a judge can dismiss or throw out a case at any time.
Fault-free insurance.
Let a different process take care of malfeasance.
I had an elderly relative go in for an endoscopy out-patient procedure. Had her duodenum nicked during. Came out of the hospital 11 months later lucky to be alive. Lots of talk about "suing the hell out of the hospital" but no lawyer would take the case. Basically, shit happens. Doctors are humans, and a small error gets compounded.
E6BFlightComp
Active Member
From what I'm reading, I believe we should bring back DARE. Teach the Yungins once and for all that drunk driving can lead to death. Third time is the charm, right?
E6BFlightComp
Active Member
ALSO, has anyone heard/read anything regarding the different police zones around Atlanta? Reports are stating that police are protesting the 11 charges placed on Officer Brosnan (in which the highest possible sentence involves capitol punishment). Their way of protesting? 6 zones around Atlanta involve mass walk-offs performed by officers, leaving their patrol cars and keys at the precinct.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news...harge-as-mayor-admits-morale-is-down-tenfold/
If anyone is close to, or has family in Georgia, stay safe and be careful.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news...harge-as-mayor-admits-morale-is-down-tenfold/
If anyone is close to, or has family in Georgia, stay safe and be careful.
I wish we had body cams in the early 2000s when I was with the Cincinnati Police. Fortunately we had dash cams...and I had several back seat customers that would spout off [or do] all sorts of stupidville bullshit...like attempting to injure themselves by ramming their heads into the plexiglass partition...and then claiming that you beat them up while enroute to the justice center. Fortunately the dash cams could be covertly pivoted 180* to record all their back seat bullshit. I made it a habit of doing the “covert dash cam 180* pivot maneuver” whenever I had a back seat customer...and it saved me from a ton of woe.
Pictured below...mad dog demonstrating the “covert dash cam 180* pivot maneuver”...
I put a lot of quarters into that game back in high school. (And we were allowed to leave campus during lunch or spare periods, no questions asked, none of that stupid shit kids have to deal with these days.)
Because other threads have moved on, I will post this here. Not in keeping with the ROE set by @Swanee , but I am sure of interest.
This week SCOTUS refused to hear a case in the next term regarding qualified immunity. Justice Thomas dissented. If you saw the press conference by the Fulton County DA yesterday he gave a shout out to Thomas based on this opinion. Thomas' short history lesson was interesting. I didn't know section 1983, had it's roots in postbellum reconstruction.
Although I have mentioned it in another thread, thanks to the Fulton County DA commenting the way he did I feel compelled to once again point out, qualified immunity has nothing to do with criminal charges. In addition, if granted, it only provides immunity to the individual government employee. The city, county or state can still be sued. And since the government has all the money, not the police officer, fire fighter or highway engineer, there is still an avenue to recover in a civil suit. The richer one in fact. When the reporter asking the question plainly did not know what qualified immunity really was, what are the chances you will get a report that is true and factual? Perpetuating the myth cops can walk free based on qualified immunity is contributing to the emotion, frustration and violence.
This week SCOTUS refused to hear a case in the next term regarding qualified immunity. Justice Thomas dissented. If you saw the press conference by the Fulton County DA yesterday he gave a shout out to Thomas based on this opinion. Thomas' short history lesson was interesting. I didn't know section 1983, had it's roots in postbellum reconstruction.
Although I have mentioned it in another thread, thanks to the Fulton County DA commenting the way he did I feel compelled to once again point out, qualified immunity has nothing to do with criminal charges. In addition, if granted, it only provides immunity to the individual government employee. The city, county or state can still be sued. And since the government has all the money, not the police officer, fire fighter or highway engineer, there is still an avenue to recover in a civil suit. The richer one in fact. When the reporter asking the question plainly did not know what qualified immunity really was, what are the chances you will get a report that is true and factual? Perpetuating the myth cops can walk free based on qualified immunity is contributing to the emotion, frustration and violence.
ABMD
Bullets don't fly without Supply
I saw this same thing posted on Social Media last night. Entire shifts resigning from list 3 zones around Atlanta.
Sounds reliable! Seriously, it looks like some police are doing a work slowdown or calling out sick and not resigning en masse.
While one can quibble with whether the charges are appropriate, I am uncertain they are at this point but that is why we have a justice system, I have a very serious problem with police deliberately not doing their jobs because they are unhappy with the situation. They all took an oath to serve the public, not themselves or just their fellow officers, they should act like the public servants they signed up to be.
I have no problem at all with police walking off the job. How did we feel about the T-45 OBOGS situation?
I wonder if Reagan and the ATC controllers in 1981 has set a precedent for police being able to strike.
GroundPounder
Well-Known Member
I agree with you, to the extent that we are in a position that I think should be strike/work slow down free. However, to get charged with murder before the investigation is completed, has to put those guys in the mindset that if anything goes wrong, they are getting fired and being charged criminally. APD might go 6 months without another use of deadly force, and they might be shooting one as I type this, the guys on the street are now being asked to put more on the line than ever before.
I don't know all the ins and outs or your FENAB system, but consider if you would want to go fly today if you thought you would have your wings pulled, and facing UCMJ charges 12 hours after being involved in a class A event. Would you think twice about jumping in if you had the choice?
But for the record, I would not have called out if I were working under the reign of the DA involved. What will, and is happening, is that police everywhere are slowing way down in the proactive work that they do.
Ultimately, this will have the most negative effect on poorer communities. That sucks.