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Min. 27 Points for Reserve Officers...for IRR-ASP?

Hair Warrior

JO 1835
Contributor
^ that’s what I was looking for. The Navy’s official guidance is to screen and select applicants with a potential for longer service, not applicants who - even before they’ve commissioned - are already planning their IRR transfer to happen at LTJG.

If and when I’m ever asked to conduct a NAVCRUIT 1131/5 interview appraisal, I would not recommend an applicant for commission if the applicant admits they want to punch out at LTJG. That’s just a poor business decision for the Navy and a drain on our finite training resources.
 

bubblehead

Registered Member
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^ that’s what I was looking for. The Navy’s official guidance is to screen and select applicants with a potential for longer service, not applicants who - even before they’ve commissioned - are already planning their IRR transfer to happen at LTJG.

If and when I’m ever asked to conduct a NAVCRUIT 1131/5 interview appraisal, I would not recommend an applicant for commission if the applicant admits they want to punch out at LTJG. That’s just a poor business decision for the Navy and a drain on our finite training resources.
Glad that helped and yes, I agree. Part of DCO panel interview process is to evaluate program motivation. Honestly, during all of the DCO interviews I have conducted, people towing the line (ie., "I want to stay in until I am 99"). People would be stupid to say otherwise.
 

ABMD

Pork Chop
The ENS was mobilized because the ENS completed their PQS which took them out of a training status (i.e., MAS-IMS Code TBH is removed from their record). We get a few folks now an then who think they are going to get mega bonus points for completing their PQS in record time. But, some want to finish fast so they can deploy. Others finish fast because they are trying to impress.
Correct, once he was done with schooling his MAS code changed and he picked-up the first IA MOB. As for Supply, I've seen guys jump ahead in their schooling (which has to be approved by the schoolhouse) to get into a particular billet (OIC) or MOB.
 

egiv

Well-Known Member
It isn't the fault of the individual. That is the fault of the Navy's mismanagement.
A flawed system doesn't excuse a person who is taking advantage of it. Just because it's possible to leech off the government doesn't mean it should be celebrated or that the individual isn't responsible for their choice. I'm not naive to the fact that it happens and sometimes even benefits the Navy, but that doesn't make it right, especially in the eyes of those who have actually sacrificed, fought, and died in uniform.

So yeah, it pisses me off.
 

devilbones

Active Member
A flawed system doesn't excuse a person who is taking advantage of it. Just because it's possible to leech off the government doesn't mean it should be celebrated or that the individual isn't responsible for their choice. I'm not naive to the fact that it happens and sometimes even benefits the Navy, but that doesn't make it right, especially in the eyes of those who have actually sacrificed, fought, and died in uniform.

So yeah, it pisses me off.
What is the alternative? Stay in for 20? If getting out after your obligation wasnt an option, it wouldnt be. Unless I am understanding this wrong.
 

Hair Warrior

JO 1835
Contributor
What is the alternative?
To me, for a reserve DCO officer, assuming no medical disqualifier/injury, the bar is to complete at least one mob or ADSW after completing your PQS. That is basically what the Navy expects of an enlisted reserve sailor during a four year enlistment.
 

bluemarlin04

Well-Known Member
To me, for a reserve DCO officer, assuming no medical disqualifier/injury, the bar is to complete at least one mob or ADSW after completing your PQS. That is basically what the Navy expects of an enlisted reserve sailor during a four year enlistment.
is it though?

cause there are tons of enlisted that haven't deployed.
 

egiv

Well-Known Member
Why?

Serious question.
I think it cheapens the idea of service. I'm not saying you have to do 20, or even a day over your initial commitment, but if you join the military there should be some level of sacrifice in the interest of the country. I understand everyone has different reasons for joining and some people get lucky with easy jobs - I'm not faulting them.

What I'm talking about are people who have already entered a civilian career field (e.g. politics) but want the street cred - for their own personal gain - of saying they're a service member, just without the sacrifice that the majority of the military goes through.
 

devilbones

Active Member
To me, for a reserve DCO officer, assuming no medical disqualifier/injury, the bar is to complete at least one mob or ADSW after completing your PQS. That is basically what the Navy expects of an enlisted reserve sailor during a four year enlistment.
So maybe the answer would be to require a mob in order to fulfill your initial service requirement? What if there are no mobs available or lack of ADSW for your designator/community? I am not sure what the right answer is but some might not be able to mob by no fault of their own. Also the ones that want to get out, should be able to. The last thing you want is somebody that is augmenting the active side that doesnt want to be there, especially as an officer.
 

bubblehead

Registered Member
Contributor
the bar is to complete at least one mob or ADSW after completing your PQS.
No, no it's not. After you complete your PQS you go on the National MOB List.

That is basically what the Navy expects of an enlisted reserve sailor during a four year enlistment.
Again, no. The issue for Enlisted is that a ton of them volunteer to MOB because they want a competitive edge over the next person for advancement, especially to E7.
 

bubblehead

Registered Member
Contributor
So maybe the answer would be to require a mob in order to fulfill your initial service requirement? What if there are no mobs available or lack of ADSW for your designator/community?
There are not enough MOB's or ADSW's to accomplish this.
 

Hair Warrior

JO 1835
Contributor
After you complete your PQS you go on the National MOB List.
Check. And you stay there until your number gets called based on rank, designator, PEBD, and dwell time. Eventually though, you will get called (likely at O-3). Unless you drop papers to quit SELRES and switch over to the IRR first. What am I missing? Are there so few mob’s that a SELRES LT (who is fully mobilization ready with no med holds) could reach 2x FOS for LCDR without ever being asked to mob?
Again, no. The issue for Enlisted is that a ton of them volunteer to MOB because they want a competitive edge over the next person for advancement, especially to E7.
What percentage of enlisted reservists complete a 4 year service obligation without being asked to mob during that time period? I’d be shocked if it’s over 25% but I’ll take it as a learning moment.
 
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bluemarlin04

Well-Known Member
What percentage of enlisted reservists complete a 4 year service obligation without being asked to mob during that time period? I’d be shocked if it’s over 25% but I’ll take it as a learning moment.
Involuntary? I would estimate around 99% but realistically closer to 100%. There isn't any reason to mobilize junior enlisted. Even during the height of the surge, junior enlisted were not getting involuntarily mobilized. Even the hospital corpsman and seabees were not getting recalled that often. It mostly went to volunteers.

You got to understand. This is the reserves. Deployable billets on active duty are priority for the detailers and they fill all of those first and gap shore duty billets. Reserves usually augment joint units overseas but even than there is very few mobilizations to go around. ADSW funding is so minimal right now as well.

I just put out an ADSW advertisement for my active duty command for 1835s and had roughly 60 applications from LTJGs-CDRs all looking for some orders to be competitive for the next grade.

I work with quite a few reserve LT and LCDR 1835s who have never mobilized and aren't even close to being mobilized.
 
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