The guys at my school had to take the calc and physics classes that the math, physics and engineering majors took and not the more basic versions but the 4 credit versions. They dragged many a GPA down among my classmates.......
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The guys at my school had to take the calc and physics classes that the math, physics and engineering majors took and not the more basic versions but the 4 credit versions. They dragged many a GPA down among my classmates.......
I was the opposite, had less than 2.0 G.P.A. in music, switched majors to physics and made straight As ever since (3 years now). Part of this was me growing up, but another part of it is just really enjoying physics and math.
Anyway, I agree that those courses can be difficult.
Anyway, I agree that those courses can be difficult.
The guys at my school had to take the calc and physics classes that the math, physics and engineering majors took and not the more basic versions but the 4 credit versions. They dragged many a GPA down among my classmates.......
I think it just depends on how the school has it organized. At UF, Physics w/out Calc was the easier course, but not what the Navy wanted. Physics w/ Calc was one of the pre-reqs for the engineers and was therefore a weed out course. Those of us non-engineers got to join in on the fun, thanks to the Navy. After the first few quizzes/tests, I decided Santa Fe Community College would better suit me. "C" is for commission.
Had the same thing happen to me. I and 3 other ROTC people, non-tech majors, in the class with me. First day, raise your hand if you're an engineer. Then all the people taking it for the pre-med requirement raise their hands when asked. Professor stares at the 4 of us for a couple seconds really confused, then asks how many are in ROTC. After we raise our hands he kind of gives us this look of "wow, you guys are screwed." 2 of the others dropped the class, I and the other girl who remained both got C's. Really not nice on the GPA.
not gonna lie here.....non-techs weren't the only ones not getting A's in Physics 211-213 either. I for one barely swung a B in the EM class....probably one of the hardest classes I have taken in college. Most of the engineering courses I have taken dumb everything down to a practical level (w/ the exception of Thermo and Fluids)....
That completely sucks.
Did your school offer any alternatives?
At mine they've got "dummy" versions of all the NROTC requirements for non-engineers: physics/calc for non engineers, and they've got this glorified MS Office tutorial that counts as computer science credit.
No, we're required to take the calc based version of physics, the non-calc based doesn't count for NROTC requirements. I thought that was a requirement for all NROTC people. In the end I just sucked up the first semester but I took the second semester over the summer at a local school near me for transfer credit.
Yeah, but at my school they have non-technical major versions of the calc based physics classes. My roommate was taking it...definitely MUCH easier than the engineering versions I took.
I wish we had some form non-evil calc-based physics that didn't anally rape you on a daily basis. I would have preferred that.
Listen to GatorDev boys and girls!
Step 1: Going into this deal YOU really need to know what Calculus and Calculus-based Physics courses that YOUR NROTC unit has had blessed by NROTC HQ that is being taught at YOUR unit's college. The ROTC unit has already gotten that University's courses blessed by NROTC HQ.
Step 2a: Have the thrid party (high school, CLEP, AP boards, college) send to the University you are attending your scores/transcripts. They will convert it to their courses.
Step 2b: If you want to take the courses at a different University/community college then get the courses blessed in advance by the University, and of course keep your Unit informed. Many University's have already done this in advance
If the University accepts the courses then that is the end of the discussion because they will be noted on your transcript that the Unit has to use.
There are a few howevers:
- The requirements for your major may require at least one more math/physics course above what you had transferred. NOT THE UNIT!
- It really does not make sense for a Unit to require a Mid to take more courses. The additional 18 hours, of which typically only a few count towards general degree requirements, is demanding enough (time and money). Creating "New requirements" are most likely not supported by NROTC HQ. Money is tight everywhere.
- Every year, NROTC HQ publishes a list of Calculus and Calc-based Physics courses that fulfill the requirements at YOUR university AND every year there is a well meaning academics officer (LT) at each unit who makes the mistake that "unless you take the course at that university, then you have to take it." IT'S WRONG! When they call NROTC HQ they learn what I told you in the aforementioned steps.
Don't let the system box your ears. Ask lots of questions.
Now as to WHY it's required for Scholarship. My theory is that it is a hold over from the Rickover Nuclear days (everything was going to be Nuke). Now we are left with subs and CVNs. If you go subs, then those classes are important for the application. If you don't go subs, it won't come up again unless you are going before selection boards for CVN XO and CO 'cause you're going to go to NucPower school.
Grades count to. There are three numbers in your APC score: Your overall GPA, your average for the two Calc courses and lastly your average for the two physics course.
Spent sometime as a NROTC instructor. Hope this helps.:icon_wink
^^ Good stuff (and thanks for the backup, skipper).
One caveat... You might need to get the course at another university/school blessed by the unit, as well. I did, since it was on scholarship. It was pretty straight forward, but I had to at least try at the UF course (and go down in flames) before I could submit the request to go to the community college and take it.
Your mileage may vary.
One caveat... You might need to get the course at another university/school blessed by the unit, as well. I did, since it was on scholarship. It was pretty straight forward, but I had to at least try at the UF course (and go down in flames) before I could submit the request to go to the community college and take it.
Your mileage may vary.
