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Leaving Vietnam vs AFG

Pags said:
Per the same fact sheet:
"Aircraft committed must be U.S.-registered and carriers must commit and maintain at least four complete crews for each aircraft."

"The air carriers continue to operate and maintain the aircraft with their resources; however, AMC controls the aircraft missions."

In short, airline pilots are flying the airline planes. AMC provides the tasking.
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How does that work for the crews?

Do they get the same compensation as they would doing the ATL-CDG run?
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GroundPounder said:
How does that work for the crews?

Do they get the same compensation as they would doing the ATL-CDG run?
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Charters are all bid after the fact at my airline and pay premium. I assume these are similar Individual contracts and work rules will dictate how they're handled and what they pay, but they'll be extra or uncovered flying everywhere except maybe Atlas. Those guys just live in re-route city so who knows.
 
When will we see a version of the iconic POW/MIA flag reflecting the Americans that will undoubtedly be left behind because they do not have safe transport to the airport or are out in the provinces? It is inevitable ( a pretty common word in this thread ) given the government does not know how many Americans need to be evacuated and has expressed no interest in going out a recovering those who they have identified, but need help. Iran held just 52 Americans from the US Embassy in 1979. It dominated the later part of the Carter presidency and played a role in his political defeat. How many Americans will the Taliban collect around the country after we abandon them? How long will they be held and under what conditions? How will this Administration respond?
 
wink said:
When will we see a version of the iconic POW/MIA flag reflecting the Americans that will undoubtedly be left behind because they do not have safe transport to the airport or are out in the provinces? It is inevitable ( a pretty common word in this thread ) given the government does not know how many Americans need to be evacuated and has expressed no interest in going out a recovering those who they have identified, but need help. Iran held just 52 Americans from the US Embassy in 1979. It dominated the later part of the Carter presidency and played a role in his political defeat. How many Americans will the Taliban collect around the country after we abandon them? How long will they be held and under what conditions? How will this Administration respond?
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What’s the problem? The President himself said this is all going according to plan and the rest of the world is giving us accolades for what a great job we’re doing. Everything is fine. They knew it was going to go down like this.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1429482043252088835
 
wink said:
When will we see a version of the iconic POW/MIA flag reflecting the Americans that will undoubtedly be left behind because they do not have safe transport to the airport or are out in the provinces? It is inevitable ( a pretty common word in this thread ) given the government does not know how many Americans need to be evacuated and has expressed no interest in going out a recovering those who they have identified, but need help. Iran held just 52 Americans from the US Embassy in 1979. It dominated the later part of the Carter presidency and played a role in his political defeat. How many Americans will the Taliban collect around the country after we abandon them? How long will they be held and under what conditions? How will this Administration respond?
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This admin doesn’t give a shit!
 
wink said:
When will we see a version of the iconic POW/MIA flag reflecting the Americans that will undoubtedly be left behind because they do not have safe transport to the airport or are out in the provinces? It is inevitable ( a pretty common word in this thread ) given the government does not know how many Americans need to be evacuated and has expressed no interest in going out a recovering those who they have identified, but need help. Iran held just 52 Americans from the US Embassy in 1979. It dominated the later part of the Carter presidency and played a role in his political defeat. How many Americans will the Taliban collect around the country after we abandon them? How long will they be held and under what conditions? How will this Administration respond?
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The Taliban are playing a very shrewd waiting game. They know Americans and key Afghanies are in hiding but will need food and water resources. I think next week will be worse . . .
 
Hotdogs said:
Jim, little bit of nitpicking here but if you study insurgencies and guerrilla warfare - Its quite often the opposite. Che Guevara learned this the hard way in Bolivia. These types of movements usually only survive with significant support from the local civilian populace. Not to discount your point because I am sure external players (Pakistan) played a large role as well. The apathy in some parts of the Afghan populace probably contributed to the precipitous fall of multiple provinces.
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Ah, we're talking about two different key ingredients that they need to survive. I'm talking about external support in the way Galula talked about, and I wasn't trying to imply that support of the local populace wasn't a critical ingredient. But if you can successfully cut off an insurgency logistically (includes financially) from its foreign patrons then it will soon lack the resources to conduct operations (doesn't mean they will cease operations altogether, just conduct fewer). What comes next is either suppress it and drive it further underground, although it will survive indefinitely from local support, or (to win) not just suppress it but also turn the local population against it.

We and the former Afghan government didn't effectively do either of those things against the Taliban over the last twenty years- neither fully cut it off from outside help (not from lack of a concerted effort either) nor get the population solidly against them (also not from lack of trying).


(Hope that makes sense when I put it that way... I'm pretty sure I'm not explaining anything that you don't already know.)

There will be plenty of books and academic theses written about all this for the next 50+ years. There's occasionally still original material being published about the Vietnam War...
 
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ChuckMK23 said:
CRAF

@HAL Pilot are you packing?
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Gladly, except between 9/1 and 9/7 when I have vacatio with my daughter and her husband.

Hair Warrior said:
www.af.mil

Civil Reserve Air Fleet

Civil Reserve Air Fleet is a unique and significant part of the nation's air mobility resources. Selected aircraft contractually committed to CRAF, augment Department of Defense airlift requirements
www.af.mil
Per the fact sheet, CDRUSTRANSCOM controls the contracted aircraft only - not the personnel.
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That just means the government can not just take the plane. The airline that owns it decides who flies it.

At Hawaiian, it's like flying any other charter.
 
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