How much of a background and how much work experience? The competition is staggering to put it bluntly. Mind you, this is for the DCO process.
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Which PA number are you referring to?
devilbones
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208C and 208D.
Thanks!!
I needed to go back and read those. Have you actually known or even heard of anyone getting a higher entry grade?
O2 is not abnormal for 1825.
O3 and above: never seen it except for medical/chaplain/JAG.
devilbones
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I can see there are some selected from 1815 that came in as O2 and O3. I never really bothered to look at 1825. But remember that just because you are eligible doesn't mean that they will bring you in at O2 or O3 even if you fit the criteria.
There is an 1815 that was selected for O3 the year it came out and a couple of O2s.
I have seen prior commission officers (OSVET) come (back) in at O3 in 18X5.
So why would they not bring you in as an O2 or O3 if you’re eligible and meet all the wickets they list for the advanced rank? Sorry but I guess Im not understanding why you wouldn’t get it if you meet the requirements? What’s the point of the requirements then?
My work colleagues and myself all have our cissp’s, its not as valuable as they once were. Maybe in a government job. I’ve worked both government contracting and civilian company IT security jobs, not much competition on government side. So maybe that is why they still hold it at a higher standard.
That is a dubious claim honestly. A rather older discussion on the topic but still very relevant.
CISSP is valuable to the government as part of their cyber security workforce program because it is the only way they can quantify "experience."
Never mind the fact that I have seen numerous people with zero security background cram for and pass the test after one of the bootcamps. That tells me all I need to know about the ISC series of certifications. They are money making machine.
I know a guy who has 12 or 13 certifications because he is a test hound (good at test taking for these types of tests) and his company pays for the tests and courses.
devilbones
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The reason you wouldn't get it is that there are not an unlimited amount of available slots for an O2 or O3.
Ok I guess you can make that same argument against any certification. It is still one of the most valuable certs to have both financially and opportunistically.
I am not sure if you were referring to SEC+ but that is one of the entry-level security cert that you need in order to have admin on a DOD network.
IMHO, ISC2 is in the business of, well... go check out their financials. They are heavily incentivized to increase yearly fee revenues by ensuring people renew and to ensure new people are getting certified, it's why their "certification" criteria is all "stated/claimed" and not actually verified. Their "ethics" process is also b.s.
Outside of government related work, I've seen zero quantifiable data to back up this claim. In the private sector, if you are entry level with zero work experience, then yes, a CISSP will help you.
In the private sector, if you are interviewing with me, I could give 2 sh*t's about your certs because I am going to put you in front of a white board and ask you to explain projects and concepts you've worked on based on your resume. If you say that you've work with/implemented network segmentation, then you better be able to draw it out and explain it "as you might to a young child, or a golden retriever."
It's a technique I learned when I qualified on submarines during my qual board (which lasted 6 hours) and that I've been using ever since. It's highly effective in weeding out the bullsh*t jargon artists (who perpetuate this industry) from the people who actually know what the hell they are talking about. Unfortunately, we have many of these "jargon artists" in the Reserve IP community.
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devilbones
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This board and thread are 100% related to government. Your argument can be used for any type of IT certification and I am not saying it is wrong however, for the USG there is probably no better cert. Even for IT recruiters for the top DOD contractors, they will all know CISSP. If you look at the old 8570 and even the 8140 the CISSP is highly useful to have.