Faith

[incubus852]

see this is where i think religion has created problems throughout history and still continues to do so... when one religion attempts to persuade someone from another religion or worse, forces someone in any way to believe them; be it physically in warfare or philosophically by conversion.

you believe whatever you want to believe and ill believe whatever i want to, as long as that doesn't adversely affect either of us, wonderful. the moment there is any negative impact, people must work together to find an amicable solution. the israeli-palestinian conflict exists and will continue to until both sides compromise in some way. we all know the effects of fundamentalism and some of us are currently or will experience the dangers of it.

 

[BACONATOR]

see this is where i think religion has created problems throughout history and still continues to do so... when one religion attempts to persuade someone from another religion or worse, forces someone in any way to believe them; be it physically in warfare or philosophically by conversion.

you believe whatever you want to believe and ill believe whatever i want to, as long as that doesn't adversely affect either of us, wonderful. the moment there is any negative impact, people must work together to find an amicable solution. the israeli-palestinian conflict exists and will continue to until both sides compromise in some way. we all know the effects of fundamentalism and some of us are currently or will experience the dangers of it.

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict exists not because they want Israelis to believe in Islam, but they want the Jewish people dead. No other reason. There is no "compromise" to be made. They just want to kill. That's like saying that America needs to make a "compromise" with Osama.....

 

[statesman]

Raptor already beat me to it with the Wikipedia article, but there are several Roman writers who refer to the existence of a man whos name in hebrew was Yeshua and who came from Galalie (sp?).

Of the most credible was the writer Tacitus, who's writings have been given a great deal of credibility by historians.

Regardless of faith, denying the existence of Yeshua is simply revisionist.

 

[statesman]

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict exists not because they want Israelis to believe in Islam, but they want the Jewish people dead. No other reason. There is no "compromise" to be made. They just want to kill. That's like saying that America needs to make a "compromise" with Osama.....

I was under the impression that they want their country back... I might be mistaken however.

 

[BACONATOR]

I was under the impression that they want their country back... I might be mistaken however.

I am well aware of Yeshua (the origin of my own Hebrew name). There is some debate as to whether Josephus (probably the most notable historian of the time) wrote about him or not. See the following article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus

As for Israel/Palestine. If it was about land, then wouldn't you think that all the concessions Israel has made about giving land back to the Palestinians would have made SOME progress? I thought so...

 

[eddie]

As for Israel/Palestine. If it was about land, then wouldn't you think that all the concessions Israel has made about giving land back to the Palestinians would have made SOME progress? I thought so...

Oh come on, that's like saying Indian reservations are "land given back." :icon_tong

Answer is simple: give the Palestinians casinos.

 

[BACONATOR]

Oh come on, that's like saying Indian reservations are "land given back." :icon_tong

Answer is simple: give the Palestinians casinos.

I think some of the land exchanges were a bit more substantial than a couple Indian reservations compared with the rest of America.

The Arab world demanding land from Israel has always seemed to me the same as if the rest of America demanded that Rhode Island give back land to us (assuming of course Rhodle Island was taken from us. GO with me on this folks. It's an analogy....)

 

[JMMH]

Israel/Palestine: I don't think it's necessarily about "land." It's more about HOLY land, and a compromise cannot be made because it's sacred to both.

If it were just about land- like, say, Rhode Island- then I think it would be a little more easy to solve.

 

[Superclub]

At Prop-Stop, One of the large problems with religion is it offers such strict structures, yet, as many people have said so far, Christianity at its base level is not about the religion, it's about the relationship. A relationship with a God who is simply sitting at your door and knocking, hoping that you'll let Him in and let Him become your friend. If you are worried at all about the religious aspects of Christianity, I offer the books of Donald Miller, specifically Blue Like Jazz It is an amazing read, and I also recommend it to anyone else interested in "Non-religious thoughts on Christian Spirituality."

 

[crazed1529]

In my reading of the Bible and other associated literature, I have come to believe that, though the inspiration of the Bible came from God, it was ultimately written by man and subject to flaws (i.e. stoning a son to death due to disobedience (Deut. 21:18-21)). With that said, how does a person decide what to follow as law versus what is clearly out of line with modern society? From a Christian perspective, Jesus said he came to fulfill the law not abolish it. Yet, we tend to take what was considered law (broadly speaking, the old testament) and subjugate it to the new testament. Simply put: Is it okay to pick and choose the things we want to believe versus taking the Bible at its word (since we do this anyway)?

 

[BACONATOR]

At Prop-Stop, One of the large problems with religion is it offers such strict structures, yet, as many people have said so far, Christianity at its base level is not about the religion, it's about the relationship. A relationship with a God who is simply sitting at your door and knocking, hoping that you'll let Him in and let Him become your friend. If you are worried at all about the religious aspects of Christianity, I offer the books of Donald Miller, specifically Blue Like Jazz It is an amazing read, and I also recommend it to anyone else interested in "Non-religious thoughts on Christian Spirituality."

So wait, you want me to become a Jehovah's Witness?


I keed.

 

[eddie]

In my reading of the Bible and other associated literature, I have come to believe that, though the inspiration of the Bible came from God, it was ultimately written by man and subject to flaws (i.e. stoning a son to death due to disobedience (Deut. 21:18-21)). With that said, how does a person decide what to follow as law versus what is clearly out of line with modern society? From a Christian perspective, Jesus said he came to fulfill the law not abolish it. Yet, we tend to take what was considered law (broadly speaking, the old testament) and subjugate it to the new testament. Simply put: Is it okay to pick and choose the things we want to believe versus taking the Bible at its word (since we do this anyway)?

I believe the Gideon's have stopped putting full Bibles in hotel rooms, but rather just the New Testament. For their purposes of evangelism, it would appear that the story and teachings of Christ matter most, or only.

 

[jus2mch]

So wait, you want me to become a Jehovah's Witness?


I keed.

It's funny that you have your location as, The body of Christ, and you are on your 316th post.

 

[BACONATOR]

It's funny that you have your location as, The body of Christ, and you are on your 316th post.

316? Is that number significant? I know 613 is significant in Judaism.

 

[raptor10]

In my reading of the Bible and other associated literature, I have come to believe that, though the inspiration of the Bible came from God, it was ultimately written by man and subject to flaws (i.e. stoning a son to death due to disobedience (Deut. 21:18-21)). With that said, how does a person decide what to follow as law versus what is clearly out of line with modern society? From a Christian perspective, Jesus said he came to fulfill the law not abolish it. Yet, we tend to take what was considered law (broadly speaking, the old testament) and subjugate it to the new testament. Simply put: Is it okay to pick and choose the things we want to believe versus taking the Bible at its word (since we do this anyway)?

Like someone said earlier the Greek word for sin (used in the New Testament) comes from an archery term that measures the distance of the arrow from the center. Sin, in context, refers to the closeness of our relationship with.

The whole point of the Jesus was to come and bring a reformation to the way in which we serve God, changing it from one based on Talmudic Law to one based on grace and mercy.