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DCO Intel Eligibility & Process

bluemarlin04

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Why is the IW pin a joke? Is the EDO pin is a joke? The FMF pin? Seabees have one, but I'd be interested to hear which warfare domain they control. And yet there's no hostility towards any of them (and many, many others) having pins.

I agree an IW officer shouldn't command a CSG, but similarly don't understand why that would preclude certain IW designators from being URLs (nor why aviators should command a CSG, for that matter). We don't put EOD officers in charge of CSGs, but they're URLs. The logic isn't adding up

PS that article had a response (from within the IW community): https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2019-01/navy-information-warfare-decade-indulging-false-analogy
You just posted the same article I posted proving my point that the IW isn’t a URL. I posted that article the last page.

And you seriously can’t understand why an Aviator would command a CSG?
 

egiv

Well-Known Member
You just posted the same article I posted proving my point that the IW isn’t a URL. I posted that article the last page.

And you seriously can’t understand why an Aviator would command a CSG?
Correct - my bad, I missed your original post with the Stephenson article and only saw the Butera one subsequently posted. I was just pointing out that there is diversity of opinion within the IWC and they're (we're) making a realistic effort towards defining what our role should be, not that the article proves anyone right or wrong.

Regarding aviators commanding CSGs, yes, I understand, but I think you're missing my overall point, which is to say that I don't think that the pin, and the increasing importance of what it represents, is a joke.
 

bluemarlin04

Well-Known Member
I guess I should clarify my point.

Everyone LCDR and above got the pin from an NKO course so I think it’s got problems
 

bubblehead

Registered Member
Contributor
Everyone LCDR and above got the pin from an NKO course so I think it’s got problems
Uhm, it was a little more detailed than that and was not rank dependent for certain designators. This was the grandfathering period for officers as outlined in OPNAV Instruction 1412.13 and NAVADMIN 328/10.

It was a sh*t show. Take an eLearning course and get a warfare device. For those of us who suffered through other qualification programs while on active duty, this was a depressing thing which is why I have always disliked the IDWO pin.
 

bluemarlin04

Well-Known Member
Uhm, it was a little more detailed than that and was not rank dependent for certain designators. This was the grandfathering period for officers as outlined in OPNAV Instruction 1412.13 and NAVADMIN 328/10.

It was a sh*t show. Take an eLearning course and get a warfare device. For those of us who suffered through other qualification programs while on active duty, this was a depressing thing which is why I have always disliked the IDWO pin.
Sorry should have been more clear. I meant everyone who did the NKO program is a LCDR and above now. Don’t think anyone who did it would be a JO anymore.

I ended up doing both the NKO and full qual program. So ridiculous.

How is any pin to be taken seriously when everyone in the senior ranks got it from an online course?
 
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