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COVID-19

Hair Warrior

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Per PhD evolutionary biologists: If you vaccinate widely into an active pandemic, you’re going to create rapid evolutionary pressures that generate variants resistant to and/or undetected by the vaccines. Ergo, the vaccinated people are causing the variants. Ergo, the vaccinated people are spreading the virus.
 

taxi1

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If you vaccinate widely into an active pandemic...
This is why our half-assed approach, where about half the people stay unvaccinated so they can keep the pandemic running at full grunt and sending big slugs of virus into the vaccinated population, is so stupid.
 

FrankTheTank

Professional Pot Stirrer
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This is why our half-assed approach, where about half the people stay unvaccinated so they can keep the pandemic running at full grunt and sending big slugs of virus into the vaccinated population, is so stupid.
This whole damn thing is stupid! I don’t know why we are all all in with mRNA. We should test everybody for Natural Immunity before jabbing! Hell, now that I think of it we should be researching Illegal Immigrant Immunity. Cause they don’t have mandated masks, social distancing or vaccinations. Yet, somehow shitting in the woods, drinking out of streams, having horrible basic hygiene and living under a bridge in 100% unsanitary condition they aren’t dying from Covid! ?
 

ABMD

Bullets don't fly without Supply
This is why our half-assed approach, where about half the people stay unvaccinated so they can keep the pandemic running at full grunt and sending big slugs of virus into the vaccinated population, is so stupid.

As of 19 SEP, about 54% of the entire US population is vaccinated. One thing this doesn't breakout is % of those eligible. I'd say the % of those eligible for the vaccine and vaccinated, Americans 12 yrs and older, is much higher than 54%.

So your comment that "half the people stay unvaccinated" is a little misleading.

 

picklesuit

Dirty Hinge
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I was super impressed to see the leadership by example given last night during the Emmy awards. It’s definitely reassuring to see the very people chastising us for compliance following the social distancing and masking rules the rest of us have.

Would’ve been poor form if they had, say, ignored all of what the rest of us proletariat are going through and had a party on television last night that was counter to two weeks (or is it two years?) to flatten the curve.
 

scoolbubba

Brett327 gargles ballsacks
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I was super impressed to see the leadership by example given last night during the Emmy awards. It’s definitely reassuring to see the very people chastising us for compliance following the social distancing and masking rules the rest of us have.

Would’ve been poor form if they had, say, ignored all of what the rest of us proletariat are going through and had a party on television last night that was counter to two weeks (or is it two years?) to flatten the curve.

tax the rich or something idk
 

Tycho_Brohe

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Per PhD evolutionary biologists: If you vaccinate widely into an active pandemic, you’re going to create rapid evolutionary pressures that generate variants resistant to and/or undetected by the vaccines. Ergo, the vaccinated people are causing the variants. Ergo, the vaccinated people are spreading the virus.
Source?

Delta was first seen last October, before the vaccines were even out. In fact, most VOC's and VOI's emerged prior to the vaccines being authorized. How does the effect predate the cause?

The longer a virus is allowed to exist and reproduce, the more opportunities it has to evolve and mutate. The vaccines prevents infection by~90%, preventing many opportunities for the virus to survive and reproduce. It would be better if the vaccine was more effective in killing the virus when infection does happen, but the vaccine is still better than nothing. Less spread means less mutation.

Most arguments I've seen about vaccine pressure cite Dr. Andrew Read's paper on Marek's disease in chickens. He states that people are misinterpreting his paper, and if anything, his work was an argument in favor of vaccination.
 

SlickAg

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Even that bastion of conservatism the WaPo is coming to its senses. They must be smelling something cooking in the oven.

“It’s okay to have an incorrect scientific hypothesis. But when new data proves it wrong, you have to adapt. Unfortunately, many elected leaders and public health officials have held on far too long to the hypothesis that natural immunity offers unreliable protection against covid-19 — a contention that is being rapidly debunked by science.”

 

picklesuit

Dirty Hinge
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Even that bastion of conservatism the WaPo is coming to its senses. They must be smelling something cooking in the oven.

“It’s okay to have an incorrect scientific hypothesis. But when new data proves it wrong, you have to adapt. Unfortunately, many elected leaders and public health officials have held on far too long to the hypothesis that natural immunity offers unreliable protection against covid-19 — a contention that is being rapidly debunked by science.”

Can’t read…paywall
 
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