This is actually already more common than you would think. But it would be interesting if this actually becomes the norm than the onesy-twosies
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Congrats to LT. Swegle (aka Charles Edward never-ending question thread)
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This is actually already more common than you would think. But it would be interesting if this actually becomes the norm than the onesy-twosies
Yeah, definitely one of the bonuses for longer time to train for jet peeps.
At the time I thought it was cool to wing as an ENS and make HAC as a LTJG. Now I’m staring down a long boat tour.
It is.
There is more than one person out there who waited a year between winging and flying the rhino for the first time.
It is.
Well whatever the “big bucks” guys are doing sure isnt working
you also sure you aren’t the token genius O-4 airline reservist who rolls in every 20 days but has all the navy’s problems figured out?
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Sounds like a 122 problem.
Or, if you’re referring to the “Newly Winged Aviator” glory days of 2014-2015, that was when the RAG mafia told the VTJs to slow down production because they couldn’t keep up and it was making them look bad.
This problem has ebbed and flowed for a while. Things were getting cranking again following the NOBOGS debacle, and then noblades happened, and now they’re making big syllabus changes, and in a few years the RAGs will come back and say CNATRA cut too much and the quality of the product they’re getting isn’t good enough so they need more flights in the VTs to prepare them.
False. Sustained, superior performance.
On a less light-hearted note, this is what happens when you lose months of production due to maintenance issues. See also: T-2 grounding in the late 90s. Isn’t the first time, won’t be the last time.
/rant
Some of this has been addressed but for emphasis here it is again.
Is this a serious question? We have had black men serving as tactical carrier based aviators since 1946. Women have been flying jets for the Navy since 1974, and carrier based combat roles since 1994. You don't find it shocking that this is the first black woman to fly jets off carriers based on US demographics? Statiscally she shouldn't be the first. Someone else should have pursued it and been successful by now.
Again, are you serious? "I certainly hope they are just as qualified as the others." You really think Navy/Marine TACAIR in 2020 is going to compromise on who can fly tactical jets and who can't for publicity? They didn't even know she was going to a first until a few days before she was done with the syllabus. Do you think females or minorities in our community are only passed because of demographics? A. No, that's absolute bullshit. Most of the women I've met while flying jets have been absolute savages at flying/fighting, and if they aren't they are told they suck just like anyone else in a debrief. B. Stop taking away from their accomplishments. They met or surpassed a standard, and that standard is uncompromising.
Stop. Stop right there. Guess what? People turn out to be lousy fleet pilots no matter their gender, race, orientation, or any other definition. Also guess what? There's great fleet pilots out there and their gender, race, orientation or any other definition doesn't contribute to that. You know who are some of the lousiest fleet pilots I know? White dudes.
Are you implying that the dudes that sucked are butthurt because a woman was better than them? That makes them a sexist asshole that didn't meet the standard.
Dude, don't encourage this. If this isn't a question you're asking about any of the kids you're winging out of the training command, then it isn't something you should be wondering about her. She will most likely go on to have a normal career like the rest of us. I highly doubt this will have any implications (which it shouldn't if TACAIR is the meritocracy everyone claims it to be) positive or negative on her career.
@Charles Edward I seriously cannot tell if you're a troll. Graduate student? Reservist? These are the questions you're asking? If you want to be an officer you need to ask yourself, "Can I ask these questions in front of/to all of my Sailors?" If the answer is no, then its probably not a question you should be asking, or issue you should be commenting on.
Swegle, if you're on this board I hope you go on to have a good career and trust that your accomplishments aren't due to anything other than you're own commitment, intelligence, and hard work. Ignore the doubters, celebrate this with your community, you will be an inspiration to the next generation of the Naval Aviation Enterprise.
/endrant
Some of this has been addressed but for emphasis here it is again.
Is this a serious question? We have had black men serving as tactical carrier based aviators since 1946. Women have been flying jets for the Navy since 1974, and carrier based combat roles since 1994. You don't find it shocking that this is the first black woman to fly jets off carriers based on US demographics? Statiscally she shouldn't be the first. Someone else should have pursued it and been successful by now.
Again, are you serious? "I certainly hope they are just as qualified as the others." You really think Navy/Marine TACAIR in 2020 is going to compromise on who can fly tactical jets and who can't for publicity? They didn't even know she was going to a first until a few days before she was done with the syllabus. Do you think females or minorities in our community are only passed because of demographics? A. No, that's absolute bullshit. Most of the women I've met while flying jets have been absolute savages at flying/fighting, and if they aren't they are told they suck just like anyone else in a debrief. B. Stop taking away from their accomplishments. They met or surpassed a standard, and that standard is uncompromising.
Stop. Stop right there. Guess what? People turn out to be lousy fleet pilots no matter their gender, race, orientation, or any other definition. Also guess what? There's great fleet pilots out there and their gender, race, orientation or any other definition doesn't contribute to that. You know who are some of the lousiest fleet pilots I know? White dudes.
Are you implying that the dudes that sucked are butthurt because a woman was better than them? That makes them a sexist asshole that didn't meet the standard.
Dude, don't encourage this. If this isn't a question you're asking about any of the kids you're winging out of the training command, then it isn't something you should be wondering about her. She will most likely go on to have a normal career like the rest of us. I highly doubt this will have any implications (which it shouldn't if TACAIR is the meritocracy everyone claims it to be) positive or negative on her career.
@Charles Edward I seriously cannot tell if you're a troll. Graduate student? Reservist? These are the questions you're asking? If you want to be an officer you need to ask yourself, "Can I ask these questions in front of/to all of my Sailors?" If the answer is no, then its probably not a question you should be asking, or issue you should be commenting on.
Swegle, if you're on this board I hope you go on to have a good career and trust that your accomplishments aren't due to anything other than you're own commitment, intelligence, and hard work. Ignore the doubters, celebrate this with your community, you will be an inspiration to the next generation of the Naval Aviation Enterprise.
/endrant
Yah, this topic got off track as they all seem to here (not always a bad thing). But Congrats to LTJG Swegle, hopes for the best! I also don't think it's necessarily good for all the media attention as I wouldn't have wanted it on myself in any way, shape, or form while going through flight school, or even being someone that now people are going to track the progress of.
But I definitely see the good in a good story that might encourage some that have never thought of it as a possibility
But I definitely see the good in a good story that might encourage some that have never thought of it as a possibility
Yeah sheesh....def the most talked about SNA in the last 30 days, if not many years. I'd guess her status was as much of a shock to her as it was to the rest of us. Let her enjoy the FRS, make her mistakes like any cat 1 would do, and have a great career. That isn't to say that the publicity isn't possibly exciting some girls around the country who are years or a decade away from doing this. Hopefully that is the case. In spite of the apparent track record, we are an equal opportunity employer. The missing link is people from diverse backgrounds with the desire (and means of course) to make it happen. I think most of my friends who are any sort of minority have generally agreed that this career wasn't even on their radar without a very specific person guiding the way.
Was/is she an NFO?
Charles Edward
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Great!