Concealed Carry Permit

[A4sForever]

..... Also, any particular reason you need a CCW? Where do you plan on carrying? You don't need one to carry in your car....you use it anywhere there are people around, like malls or bars or concerts, so why? ......

Perhaps I misunderstood your take on this ... but malls, you say ??? Where does he "need" a CCW in/around a shopping mall ??? How about this .... ???

WHY does he "need" one ??? Maybe that's "his" business ..... the great thing is --- if you choose NOT to carry for personal defense, you can always call 911 and wait. And wait. And wait .... personally, I chose a long time ago not to be a victim.

*edit* .... Upon hearing of this incident ... the only questions going through my head on post-mortem were ... what would I have done, how would I have responded had I been confronted there, when/how would I have stopped the assault from this little miscreant --- should the opportunity have presented itself.

 

[A4sForever]

But can you carry? Never ever seen a base you can CCW on.

"Private" CCW? No .... you can't "carry" on base unless you are MAA, or a uniformed, sworn FED LEO or state/local LEO. With advance notice and permission --- usually a blanket thing from the department you work for ....

 

[Fly Navy]

Also, any particular reason you need a CCW?

That's his business with the state. Hell, it's a shall-issue state, so that's not even the state's business really. He need not qualify it to anyone here.

I understand you asking it, and everyone who carries or wants to carry should know why, even if it's something as simple as "general protection from crime" or as specific as a stalker. What I'm saying is... he doesn't need to tell us, that's a very personal decision.

Where do you plan on carrying?

His business, again. So long as he stays within the law, it doesn't matter to you. You won't know, nor should you know. Hence concealed carry.

You don't need one to carry in your car

Says who? You? Sorry, you aren't qualified to tell someone else where they need to carry. Neither am I, nor anyone here.

and you use it anywhere there are people around, like malls or bars or concerts, so why?

Malls? A4s covered that.

Bars and concerts? Well obviously not, as per the law (and common sense).

 

[Fly Navy]

*edit* .... Upon hearing of this incident ... the only questions going through my head on post-mortem were ... what would I have done, how would I have responded had I been confronted there, when/when would I have stopped the assault from this little miscreant --- should the opportunity have presented itself.

Always the big question. Are you in a position to react? Are you not and therefore must escape? Etc etc. The "ROE" for situations like that is very... blurry.

 

[rare21]

tell the gate guard that you have a firearm and need to put it in the armory. you get a free police escort..in a good way!

 

[Brett327]

Close ..... but not quite .... personal firearms ARE permitted on base ... i.e., in Capehart Housing. If you live "aboard" ... you must register your firearm(s) AND yourself (obviously) with station security and the firearm MUST be off your body .... in the trunk -- not "carried" .... when you pass through gate security on your way to your on-base residence. You cannot have them at work, either --- in the car or otherwise --- which means you are effectively disarmed if and when you venture outside the base perimeter. That's the unintended consequense of your government being there to "help" you ....

The reverse procedure applies when you travel from your Capehart residence through the gate and enter the Danger Zone ... i.e., when the goblins and monsters prowl. Civie street ..... that's where the danger is --- not aboard the NAS.

Alright, all you sea lawyers. The kid's asking about CCW on base.

Brett

 

[feddoc]

Close ..... but not quite .... personal firearms ARE permitted on base ... i.e., in Capehart Housing. If you live "aboard" ... you must register your firearm(s) AND yourself (obviously) with station security and the firearm MUST be off your body .... in the trunk -- not "carried" .... when you pass through gate security on your way to your on-base residence. You cannot have them at work, either --- in the car or otherwise --- which means you are effectively disarmed if and when you venture outside the base perimeter. That's the unintended consequense of your government being there to "help" you ....

The reverse procedure applies when you travel from your Capehart residence through the gate and enter the Danger Zone ... i.e., when the goblins and monsters prowl. Civie street ..... that's where the danger is --- not aboard the NAS.

To that I would add that you may have to comply with applicable state laws when transporting weapons on base...say, between your home and the range. I have stored a few guns in my home at each duty station. All of them also require you to register any weapon capable of firing a projectile....bb guns, pellet guns, bow, crossbow. Here the regs even state you must register your ammo as well...althought the head of security (my neighbor) has said that is not enforced. Best bet is to pay a visit to JAG or NLSO and get a copy of the regs.



From FlyNavy: "Bars and concerts? Well obviously not, as per the law (and common sense)."

Maybe not. Nevada, for example, does not prohibit CCW in bars...unless the establishment has a clearly visible sign posted at the entrance prohibiting same.

BTW I have had two encounters in Nevada when my weapon was part of what turned out to be a minor incident. Each time the LEOs were polite, professional and never questioned my involvment beyond a few minutes. First time a guy accused me (not true) of pulling a gun on him during an argument. Cop says, "how would he have known what kind of gun you had" (it was on the floor). I said, check my driver's window for prints; you will find his there. They let us go after a short conversation with the other guy.

Second time was when a couple of guys decided to pursue an argument a bit further than what they should have. One had a rake in his hand. I pulled my jacket back and continued to back away....as my wife called the police....they left. Cop shows up, asks a few questions of me and the 6-7 witnesses across the street. He also had some kind words to say about CCW holders in general.

If you do obtain a CCW permit, I strongly suggest a few things...know the law, ALWAYS be polite to LEO...should they show up, and....(human life may depend upon this).....practice, practice and practice again. Not only shooting, but draw from concealment.

 

[Fly Navy]

From FlyNavy: "Bars and concerts? Well obviously not, as per the law (and common sense)."

Maybe not. Nevada, for example, does not prohibit CCW in bars...unless the establishment has a clearly visible sign posted at the entrance prohibiting same.

I was more referring to FL law, but thanks for the info. This I did not know.

 

[A4sForever]

........ Nevada, for example, does not prohibit CCW in bars...unless the establishment has a clearly visible sign posted at the entrance prohibiting same......

The hypocrisy surrounding many firearms laws is truly astounding. Example: one state, near and dear to my heart does NOT allow firearms in bars --- i.e., where liquor is served and all that. Makes sense, yes ???

Alcohol + idiots + firearms = trouble.


BUT ..... in the same establishment, separated by a mere "railing" ... you may possess a concealed firearm while exercising the rights of a state CCW --- while eating in the RESTAURANT section of the same establishment.

Oh, yeah ... you can also order a drink from the bar. :icon_rast

 

[KBayDog]

Oh, yeah ... you can also order a drink from the bar. :icon_rast

Now you can order a drink from the bar in Santa Rosa County!

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[A4sForever]

^ KDogBay ... hillarious. Rep point if the nazi-system would allow ... it must be good --- as the wife just hit me in the side of the head with an open hand. I laughed too loud ....

 

[Fre@kshow!!]

That's his business with the state. Hell, it's a shall-issue state, so that's not even the state's business really. He need not qualify it to anyone here.
I understand you asking it, and everyone who carries or wants to carry should know why, even if it's something as simple as "general protection from crime" or as specific as a stalker. What I'm saying is... he doesn't need to tell us, that's a very personal decision.
His business, again. So long as he stays within the law, it doesn't matter to you. You won't know, nor should you know. Hence concealed carry.
Says who? You? Sorry, you aren't qualified to tell someone else where they need to carry. Neither am I, nor anyone here.
Malls? A4s covered that.
Bars and concerts? Well obviously not, as per the law (and common sense).

Fly, go back and read my post again, you got some things wrong. Let me clarify. I was not asking the questions for myself as of course in the end as a citizen it's none of my business you are correct... but as an officer and a gentlemen, I wanted to be sure that he has decided for himself to carry for the right reasons and in the right places. It is all of our business to help each other out as military to make good decisions based on all available information. Forgive me if I sound like I've stood at too many Captains Masts, but I've been there numerous times supporting my troops who've just done some of the stupidest things imaginable... so if I choose help educate a brother a little as to his own motives and a little Florida state law... then that's just what the internet is for. So chill out.
If you're just a gun nut or like the feeling of power or are scared of getting shot in the mall or feel it's your constitutional rite then by all means, get yourself a CCW. I wasn't arguing that. I just want people to think a little before they go do something just because it's cool. Like carrying a gun.

My previous statements were to point out that there are in fact very few places you can actually legally use your CCW (yes, every state is different but we're talking about Florida here). YOU DON'T NEED A CCW TO HAVE A LOADED FIREARM IN YOUR VEHICLE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA(that was the point I was trying to make there that you missed Fly.) By most local laws, you may also not CCW in a populated place like a mall, bar, concert, park, etc...(common sense my ass) So in the very likely case that you happen to be breaking the law at the time your CCW comes in handy, you'll probably end up getting kicked out of the Navy when you're convicted of a weapons charge and get sued by the family of your victim for every penny you have.

So my question still stands to Alabama_Matt, if he so chooses to exercises his first amendment right to speak his mind on the internet but doesn't have to because it's really between him and the state.

Where do you plan on carrying and why? Again, you don't to answer. I think we would all benefit from a discussion on this though.

 

[A4sForever]

......If you're just a gun nut or like the feeling of power or are scared of getting shot in the mall or feel it's your constitutional rite then by all means, get yourself a CCW. I wasn't arguing that. I just want people to think a little before they go do something just because it's cool. Like carrying a gun............So my question still stands to Alabama_Matt, if he so chooses to exercises his first amendment right to speak his mind .........
Where do you plan on carrying and why? Again, you don't to answer. I think we would all benefit from a discussion on this though.

You indicated this was directed at Fly (or not? ) .... but hooooo, boy !!! ... so much ignorance in evidence here about firearms, self-defense, legal issues, et'al .... I don't know where to start. Time does not permit ....

Briefly: I have spent a LOT of time, effort (and $$$) being trained and training others on firearms and lethal force use ... civilians, LEO's, Feds. The first thing you teach them is classroom --- deadly force --- when can you/can't you use it ??? What are the ramifications ??? What are the laws ??? You shouldn't even think about owning a personal defense weapon until you learn these things.

Me ??? I have been mugged twice but didn't get hurt --- nearly did once. That's way too many times for the law of averages, in my opinion. It's not going to happen again, if it is in my power to stop it. Someone tried to break into the neighbor's house several years ago but I was able to "deter" them --- with a firearm. The county deputies indicated I would never get another speeding ticket in their jurisdiction .... . Soooooo ...... what are YOU going to do in these situations ??? Or then, perhaps you ALREADY KNOW WHEN the goblins are going to come ??? If so, you need to give financial advice and life-style guidance on the forum as you potentially omniscient, but in any case, way ahead of the rest of us.

Gun nut ??? I'm a collector .... what do you collect ?? Are YOU a "nut"?? ARE YOU ??? Huh ??? *breathless*

Feeling of power ??? Don't need it. I've had it since I got my Naval Aviator Wings ....

Scared of getting shot in the mall ??? If I were --- I wouldn't go there, would I ... ???

Someone (Alabama_Matt in his little piece of the world) exercising his First Amendment rights ??? How about his right to the Second ??? The LAST thing he should be stating on a public forum is why/where/how 'cum he wants to carry. That's no one's business .... not mine, yours, or "theirs". The less said, the better. Why do you think it's called ..... "concealed" ???

Constitutional right to a CCW ??? Maybe it should be --- but society has determined that I should meet certain extra-ordinary mental, moral, and physical standards to carry concealed. Too bad the goblins don't have to take the same test .... huh???

Bottom line: if you don't want to "carry" .... don't. If you want to educate yourself instead of propagandizing .... do. It's really simple. At least educate yourself on the realities instead of mouthing the same, old, tired .... "can't we all just get along without guns" pap.

Especially when you come to the argument .... "unarmed".

Sorry, Sport .... we've heard it all before. Just my $20 worth ...

 

[eddie]

For the record, I think there has been a major mis-communication here.

 

[A4sForever]

For the record, I think there has been a major mis-communication here.

Well then .... forget everything I said ..... delete all after ... "You" .... and he can come sit on my lap and have some milk and cookies. WOW !!! I feel better already ....