ASIANA Boeing 777 crash landing KSFO

[picklesuit]

The video of the actual wreck is playing on CNN and should be an advertisement for Boeing airframe survivability...great job by the engineers designing that thing...
Pickle

 

[wink]

So they had a stick shaker and no one did any thing until 3.5 seconds later when go around was called for? Yikes!

 

[picklesuit]

TOGA! TOGA!

 

[707guy]

Here's a link to the video - not great as it's from a distance:

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/v...f-plane-crash-on-cam.courtesy-fred-hayes.html

Looks like CNN's animation was off a little - plane does appear to "flip" in the air before stopping.

 

[Recovering LSO]

So they had a stick shaker and no one did any thing until 3.5 seconds later when go around was called for? Yikes!

See below for possible explanation.

Did extensive research during graduate program Re CRM as it applied to Asian carriers. I know we don't speculate around here - and I'm NOT suggesting it was a factor, simply offering a few things I learned:

- juniors are very reluctant to question seniors.
- questioning and forceful backup are very foreign concepts to many Asian cultures.

 

[wink]

See below for possible explanation.

Possibly. If it was the captain's landing.

 

[Flash]

Possibly. If it was the captain's landing.

Apparently it was a 'trainee' pilot though certainly not an inexperienced one (what would you call him, an 'upgrader'?).

 

[ea6bflyr]

Almost like the post ejection scene in Hot Shots: http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2013/07/07/autopsies-monday-for-crash-victims/2497497/

 

[wink]

Apparently it was a 'trainee' pilot though certainly not an inexperienced one (what would you call him, an 'upgrader'?).

I didn't see where it said the mishap pilot was a trainee, on IOE, upgrade, etc. What am I missing? I did see the discussion about the new displaced threshold. But that means the landing area is moved down the runway to begin with. That shouldn't induce in any way landing well short of the original threshold.

 

[pourts]

So they had a stick shaker and no one did any thing until 3.5 seconds later when go around was called for? Yikes!

Still better than Air France when the guy held full back stick for several minutes from 30k until the deck.

 

[wink]

Still better than Air France when the guy held full back stick for several minutes from 30k until the deck.

Maybe. But in fairness, the AF mishap occurred at night over the ocean, in poor weather with malfunctioning instruments and other erroneous indications. I would expect better in excellent weather on a visual landing with, probably, a perfect airplane.

 

[Flash]

I didn't see where it said the mishap pilot was a trainee, on IOE, upgrade, etc. What am I missing? I did see the discussion about the new displaced threshold. But that means the landing area is moved down the runway to begin with. That shouldn't induce in any way landing well short of the original threshold.

Damn Yahoo changed the story, here is a Reuters report saying the guy had almost 10,000 hours but less than 50 in the 777.

 

[Alpha_Echo_606]

Almost like the post ejection scene in Hot Shots: http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2013/07/07/autopsies-monday-for-crash-victims/2497497/

The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few (or one).

 

[FrankTheTank]

Possibly. If it was the captain's landing.

With only 40 something hours in type, Captain had to be high mins and would be required to do the landing!

 

[wink]

J

With only 40 something hours in type, Captain had to be high mins and would be required to do the landing!

IOE? No better time to get your first landings then day vfr.