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What in the fuck does that have to do with anything T-6 related? And do you honestly believe anything that comes out of the kooliaid factory that is VP-30? I'll bet you believed them when they told you that you are going to blow some ships up because one day in the future P-8 will carry harpoon.

Bought that new 'Jump to Conclusions' mat I see.... The one with all the conclusions on it that you jump to.

The only thing I can offer is gouge, but this is what I was told in P-8 land: Even though the P-8 sim is essentially a COTS product slightly modified with some new switches and buttons for us, but otherwise EXACTLY the same as a 737-NG sim, we (the Navy) did not certify the trainer, and...

Not a fact at all actually. The billeting for VTs favors helo guys. Especially more recently. With rotors becoming a larger part of the navy pilot pool their share of orders out of millington has gone up. Right now it's decently difficult to get VT orders from P-3/P-8 land.

If all you want to do is fly...OCS But understand the HUGE risk you take of there not being slots open. OCS is a very easy way for the Navy to flex to demand in a short period of time. In ROTC/USNA the navy has to project it's needs out 4 years. If they read the demand signals wrong and they...

Yeah F**K those P-3 nerds!

No.

I dont discount they would fight ferociously... and I have every bit of respect for how they performed in the War, that said its a much different game now. The Iraqi military was billed the same way in '91. These guys were supposed to be experts of desert warfare, and battle hardened after 10...

Second this. Do we really think N. K. is going to go full retard? They may keep their people in the dark but KJU knows full well what would happen. This is nothing more than flexing and posturing. No doubt they are being indignant over the nuke stuff, but they aren't going to start a major...

That's not really how it works. TT&L is almost always added to the price of the car. So you pay it either way.

That sounds like it might be for VP-30 to support squadrons in other locations. Unless something changed operational Jax squadrons are all supposed to transition first, then the west coast squadrons.

True. Even if the transition schedule isn't delayed at all, you're looking at 2 more years of P-3s in Jax. That assumes exactly ZERO delays. I don't expect transition to go that well with all the budget mess thats going down now.

Picking P-3s for nostalgia... not a good plan. I'm happy with my time in the P-3, it was awesome. Mostly because we had some awesome FEs that were a lot of fun to fly with. But given the choice I wouldn't choose P-3 over P-8, and I am beyond happy to get half a JO tour in the new hotness.

No its not that bad, but it also wouldn't be that hard to fix. It just points to the fact that parts of the airplane were ill conceived. You know as well as I do, that ALT UHF nonsense should never have been overlooked.

So far I have only heard the awesome rumors about this email, but someone needs to get this out to the global...

From the sound of it it's only going to take until Mid 2014 before the runway gives out.

That will become an option unexpectedly when I plant a 737 through the runway at KNIP. Then we will all be flying out of Cecil. After a 3 week hiatus because we aren't prepared for the Cecil DET.

So let me get this straight... If you get Jax you're 100% getting to fly P-8?

Did they just add P-8 to your dream sheet? When I went through they asked you VP or VQ, and then you found out right at wings. I assume now you can put VP (P-3), VP (P-8), and VQ. Is that accurate?

So did we, and we pulled those power levers back as soon as it was reasonable to do so. I'm not as concerned about wrecking an engine when 4 are working. But in the 3 engine scenario we were talking about, I'd be less inclined to tempt fate and go begging for a 2 engine by pushing the levers up...

With the number of engines I have seen shit the bed I don't know how comfortable I would be putting the power levers to the stops while 3 engine.... I don't even think I would run it at 1077 much longer than absolutely necessary unless ground impact was imminent.

Yeah it was mostly a piss take on the ludicrous nature of how we shift gears on names rather arbitrarily... But in MPRA there is already a strong move to start referring to MQ-4 as Triton.

It's hard to talk on the radio while your counting all your per diem money...

The double anchors did it right in the back. The systems can do some pretty incredible things on station, but you also have to consider that a P-3/8 NFO knows a great deal less about actually flying the plane than say a Hornet/Growler FO. My favorite thing to do to a new NAV was to tell them we...

What Gator said. Even the P-3 is much better than it reportedly used to be. For example it used to be a question that instructors would ask "how many knots are on the aft door escape rope?" Or "at what temperature do the rack overheat lights come on?" Questions and knowledge that doesn't make...

It's frustrating that we were able to get a low level operation switch that inhibits a lot of nuisance warnings down low, but we couldn't get a touch and go switch that would inhibit some warnings and keep the computer from having a shit fit.

Fixed it.

Thats news to me, considering that we regularly shut one down just to save gas. Whoever told you that was an idiot.

Don't get me wrong. I love the plane, but there are some blaring examples of why NFOs should never be allowed to run the acquisition of an airplane. There are probably about half a dozen things that make you want to go on a rampage and murder the first 3 double anchors you see...

HA HA HA... An interview? What kind of questions do they ask you? "Tell me why we should make you an ASSTAC..."

Hmmm.... You should know that I am MPRA... We take EVERYTHING too seriously.

So did we ever get an answer to the original question? Are SNAs selecting P-8 out of Primary or are they selecting out of advanced? Or do they find out when they get to VP-30?

It remains to be seen. Thankfully I'll be long gone before the MPRA Nazis can really get their teeth into this plane.

Its a configuration master warning while the flaps are tracking on the runway. Hard to get used to at first, but by the time you get to the plane you have seen it enough in the sim to expect it and tune it out.

Sure but sometimes the ASW-3P has really terrible altitude hold.

Yeah but AIPs don't have master warnings blaring in your face when they bounce. P-8s are known to do that.

Why is the sky blue? How does the positrack rear end on a Plymouth work? It just does.

Point being we stroked engines all the time in the Orion. In year and a half I was in the P-3 I saw 4 engines shutdown. Hell my FAM 1 in the P-3 was a 3 engine (NTS INOP). My squadron did something like 6 3 engines in 6 months. And sure we have been training to all the single engine...

You can tell VP-30 has tried to get their claws into it, but thankfully P-8 is almost its own separate squadron. It has a building across the street, a strong cadre of instructors who don't P-3 everything. Also a plus is the fact that they have brought a lot of comair 737 guys and C-40 guys...

They are having to beat the P-3 out of some people, but generally the P-8 side is 10x better. Those that attempt to hold onto the P-3 way of thinking are doomed, honestly there is too much to know that's not P-3 bullshit to focus on that old way of thinking.

I don't know anyone who is upset the P-8 had half the engines. This community is very aware that the CFMs have a 0.0000001% fail rate, and no pilot I know has ever looked back after they flew the P-8, even with a 24k derate take off.

Can't speak to the airlines, but we were initially told "the P-8s arent going to bounce". When the VX guys came down we mentioned that... they laughed. That said P-8s goal is on a 70/30 sim/flight training program as it stands.

Laps in the pattern. Just like in a T-34 or a Cessna. With the odd simulated 2 or 3 engine / no flap landing thrown in. We definitely don't bounce the P-3 at max gross weight. 103,880 is the highest we'll bounce at. I dont start transition until next month so I can't say for sure but I doubt...

We say Triton now. BAMS is no more.

I'm alsmost positive they had some CG guys in Multi advanced. VT-31 if memory serves.

Go to Austin. That's what everyone else in San Antonio does every weekend.

Some of us grew up in Austin. Pensacola women not so hot.

So first off you're screen name is Maverick so thats already awesome. Secondly, as has already been pointed out, a search could have helped. I know I have responded in threads that have outlined exactly the differences between Corpus and Whiting, so they exist for sure. Thirdly, you are...

Allegedly yes. Will the MPRA Safety mafia and good idea men eventually decide that we should keep it around, probably.

That said there is a world of difference between various flavors of Level D sims. The Level D P-3C sim is not on the same level as the P-8A Level D. Granted the P-8 has the advantage of millions of hours of 737 sim time, 30 years worth of upgrades paid for by the private sector. The...