Mast, NJP, and The Trouble Troops Can Get In...

[Boomhower]

The points thing is another way to go. It can work as long as you stick to it...when we tried it, everyone started wanking about how they should really get more points for standing duty on Christmas than Columbus Day, and it's not fair that a new jg gets ahead of a senior O-3 just because the jg's got no kids, and you screwed up my points, blah blah, wah. At least there's no debating how many bars you got and what day you checked in.

I can't remember how we treated Columbus/MLK/other random govt. holidays. I think that they counted like a weekend, so you got 1.5 for standing those. Don't quote me on that, though.

I will respectfully disagree that it's not fair for the JG to get ahead of a senior LT since he has no kids. I WAS that JG and I would have liked to go out booming on the weekends, but I was sucking up duty, instead. If you want to go do more stuff with your kids then plan ahead and suck up other watches. Just like, if I wanted to go bang whores in Vegas, I needed to plan ahead and take more watches.

 

[Shpion1]

My only heartburn with non-aircrew (Intel, Maint) officers not standing duty was when they then wanted to join in the Admin ashore and otherwise participate in the JOPAcabana. Don't be too salty to sit the desk on the Boat and then run around drinking our booze in Dubai, you know? You want to play the reindeer games, you gotta help pull the fat guy in the fucking sled.

Think this is all dependent on the squadron and the Intel guy i think. I stood SDO in two of my squadrons (VQ and HSL) and also did duty on the boat along with my CVIC duty. Worked out pretty good. At VP-30 WTU, they never needed us to stand duty, they had enough bodies plus we were on the road a lot.

I think a lot dependent on the AI and the trust the Skipper has in him/her. I know some that at the end of their tour didn't know how to read a flight schedule or what a FCF was.

 

[C420sailor]

I will respectfully disagree that it's not fair for the JG to get ahead of a senior LT since he has no kids. I WAS that JG and I would have liked to go out booming on the weekends, but I was sucking up duty, instead. If you want to go do more stuff with your kids then plan ahead and suck up other watches. Just like, if I wanted to go bang whores in Vegas, I needed to plan ahead and take more watches.

Love it.

I have absolutely no dog in this fight, but kids should not be an excuse for anything. "Oh, but I have kids..." Yeah, well I shouldn't have to suffer the consequences simply because you chose to pop out a few curtain climbers. You plant the seed, you live with the benefits AND consequences of being a parent.

 

[Gatordev]

I'll stand some duty.. But I'm not going to stand more duty than a JG that just checked in a week ahead of me either.

Why? You're both nuggets, right? As an O-4, I didn't roll into my current squadron and say I was going to stand less duty then the LTs who had been there for a while. You can't claim JOPA forever and revel in being a terminal O-3 and then pull rank on the very same JOPA. I think that's written in the code...well, they're more guidelines.

 

[HAL Pilot]

Yeah.. I'm currently working around the "but you just checked in" screams with me being in a similar boat to Fester.

I'll stand some duty.. But I'm not going to stand more duty than a JG that just checked in a week ahead of me either.

For "seniority" I basically just use time in grade. While some guys may have been in the Navy for 18 years.. A LT that has been in 5 years is still senior to a prior Chief who is a JG.

Why? You're both nuggets, right? As an O-4, I didn't roll into my current squadron and say I was going to stand less duty then the LTs who had been there for a while. You can't claim JOPA forever and revel in being a terminal O-3 and then pull rank on the very same JOPA. I think that's written in the code...well, they're more guidelines.

Every command I was in, the SWO never stood duty. Not true anymore?

 

[Flash]

Every command I was in, the SWO never stood duty. Not true anymore?

It still holds as a general rule where I have been, when I stood it as a SWO it was my choice.

 

[Carlos Caliente]

Every command I was in, the SWO never stood duty. Not true anymore?

Up to the SWO. In my last squadron I jumped on it when I had to which only ended up being a very few times on shore but pretty much every port call while underway. We just didn't have enough bodies to fill the ridiculous watchbills handed down from the boat.
We also used a hybrid system on shore to delineate pick order. Rocket list ranking by time in squadron combined with lineal (yes, that is very shoe-like, but it worked and made it fairer than sticking with just one criteria). That way the transition players didn't get thrown to the bottom of the pick barrel, and the non-flying JO's weren't superceded by every new checkin. Goods and others with both, but on the whole the groundpounders didn't stand 18hr flydays and so that evened out.
On the boat, a set rotation with minor deviations for flight currency, med up/dn, cats and dogs which worked out to a duty day every 6-7 days early on in cruise. At the end we were down to SDO every 5 due to JO's rolling out and no replacements due to squadron transition to the G.
As far as making the shore duty schedule go around, I never heard much wanking by married guys or wives pulling for special privileges...the married guys preferred to jump on the weekends which were calm anyways, thus leaving the single guys free to go booming.
Paddles did not stand duty during bounce periods or on the boat while underway. Any other time, fair game.

 

[MasterBates]

When I was previously the SWO about 3 years ago, I did not stand duty unless there was a pinch for bodies (large AUTEC det, lots of dets out, etc)..

Our SuperJOs that were second tour pilots stood no to little duty (WTIs, NFO to Pilots, etc), and our SWO-to-Pilots generally got better picks due to seniority.. (HACs picked first, but they got to go to the top of the 2P list)

 

[Gatordev]

Every command I was in, the SWO never stood duty. Not true anymore?

I think it depends on the manning. At my current command, the SWO has to stand at least some just to get through a quarter. On my first tour, usually the SWO didn't, but like MB said, sometimes it would happen when all the dets were out.

 

[wlawr005]

My last squadron let AWC's stand SDO on fly-days. Seemed to work out pretty well.

 

[phrogpilot73]

There are 5 AD/AR (FTS) guys in my squadron, the rest are reservists. The 5 are CO, XO, OpsO, DOSS, and MO. Yeah, like they're standing duty. SNCO's stand all the duties, and the CO, XO, OpsO all have their Blackberry glued to their hip. ODO is covered by NCOs that work in Ops - which I'm not exactly a fan of, but try and get a LtCol to stand ODO...

 

[eddie]

"The SWO" = standing watch officer?

 

[phrogpilot73]

"The SWO" = standing watch officer?

Senior Watch Officer. He' responsible for coming up with the watchbill, and he's the one that ensures that all watches are being conducted properly.

 

[MasterBates]

Nominally it's the most senior JO in the command by lineal number, excluding LCDR selects.

I was the SWO before when I was not the most senior, but had been in the squadron the longest and was not deploying again.

 

[Boomhower]

Troops in trouble---> Wives Club---> Single v. Married---> Watchbill---> Let's go ride bikes!