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Mishap rates and what affects them (thread split)

onedge

onedge

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For the Aviators in the room, perhaps we all need to evaluate our own practices in the cockpit. I am by no means accusing anyone of anything but it seems as if there have been quite a few mishaps lately of across the spectrum of severity. Obviously there is no room for complacency or stupidity but I would propose asking one's self, "Can this be a more safe evolution?" It is Horrible to have to read about these things and perhaps we ought to step it up a little bit starting with ourselves.
 
onedge said:
For the Aviators in the room, perhaps we all need to evaluate our own practices in the cockpit. I am by no means accusing anyone of anything but it seems as if there have been quite a few mishaps lately of across the spectrum of severity. Obviously there is no room for complacency or stupidity but I would propose asking one's self, "Can this be a more safe evolution?"
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The safest evolution is one where you never leave the deck. I'll leave it at that until I see the SIR, glean what I can from it and leave it at that *again.* I suggest you do the same.
 
onedge said:
For the Aviators in the room, perhaps we all need to evaluate our own practices in the cockpit... and perhaps we ought to step it up a little bit starting with ourselves.
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Almost exactly what our last AOM was about. We spent 2 hours covering some recent safety concerns in our own squadron, and in the Navy as a whole. Big Navy is very concerned about this- stand by for possible changes in the way we do business.
 
onedge said:
For the Aviators in the room, perhaps we all need to evaluate our own practices in the cockpit. I am by no means accusing anyone of anything but it seems as if there have been quite a few mishaps lately of across the spectrum of severity. Obviously there is no room for complacency or stupidity but I would propose asking one's self, "Can this be a more safe evolution?" It is Horrible to have to read about these things and perhaps we ought to step it up a little bit starting with ourselves.
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As a maintainer I take this approach with every maintenance job. I respect the pilots and aircrew and I also do not wish to be injured. :)
 
submarinerssbn said:
quick question, is it like this all the time, or am i just noticeing more because i am getting really close to flight school.
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While the accident rate rises and falls you notice it a lot more the closer you get to the flight line.
 
submarinerssbn said:
that sux,
my wife flew out to havelock n.c. to bury her grandpa today who was also a marine (p.o.w. in vietnam). that won't really help make her feel any better about me going to flight school....it seems like we are loosing birds all the time, marine in california, the two 18's that collided in the gulf, and know this? (that's 3 18's and a harrier)
quick question, is it like this all the time, or am i just noticeing more because i am getting really close to flight school.
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There were a LOT more than that last year.
 
submarinerssbn said:
quick question, is it like this all the time, or am i just noticeing more because i am getting really close to flight school.
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We're actually at the end of a long tail as far as mishaps/flight hours go... there are some illustrative numbers here, but what I'm really looking for is the graph that has "angled flight decks," "NATOPS," "CRM," "ORM," etc. That really shows you how far we've come.
 
Found it:
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A powerful graphic for sure. Although, unless the arrows are not pointing directly to the year they were implemented, they don't particularly coincide with any particularly pointed changes in slope of the line. Not that the milestones in safety aren't important or that the drop in mishaps isn't precipitous, just that the graphic doesn't seem to drive home the point it is trying for.

Single Seat...I can't keep from staring at your avatar for an awkwardly long amount of time every time it scrolls by.
 
What changed in 1990 that caused the lines to diverge so much? Mechanical mishaps went down a little, but the human numbers started to suck fast which is totally different from what the lines do the whole rest of way.
 
usmarinemike said:
What changed in 1990 that caused the lines to diverge so much? Mechanical mishaps went down a little, but the human numbers started to suck fast which is totally different from what the lines do the whole rest of way.
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Might be because of the extreme number of flight hours flown in support of Desert Shield/Storm. I would like to see the accident rate per flight hour.
 
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