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Will Bad Credit Kill My Dream?

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GiveLT21DaBall

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I'm not sure if you're making a "zero defect" reference or what, but ask anybody......losing classifed material is a big "high vis" event. One that you won't soon forget. Signing that stuff over to my replacement (completely accounted for) was one of the highlights of the tour and one of the most relaxing days of my life. You'll see.

What's the difference (if any) between an Officer's Secret clearance and an enlisted Secret clearance??? Wouldn't both have access to the same kind of material??
 

GiveLT21DaBall

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As for the security clearance, when I was a Marine I had a Secret clearance since I was in communications and worked with cryptology...would that matter any? quote]

If he was good enough for a Secret clearance when he was in the enlisted ranks, (assuming he didn't **** up) then why wouldn't he be "worthy" of a Secret clearance at the Officer level??
 

PU Grad

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My guess is because he got into Financial trouble after he was in the Marines. My guess would be that his clearance would have been dropped if he had been in default even as enlisted.

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GiveLT21DaBall

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My guess is because he got into Financial trouble after he was in the Marines. My guess would be that his clearance would have been dropped if he had been in default even as enlisted.

PU Grad

Are you saying the Marines do a credit report check every year?? If that's the case, best of luck to the young sailors and Marines struggling to make ends meet on their E-1, E-2, E-3 pay. Would hate to see their careers hit a wall....
 

Brett327

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My guess is because he got into Financial trouble after he was in the Marines. My guess would be that his clearance would have been dropped if he had been in default even as enlisted.

PU Grad

Concur. Also, consider this: Most officers, especially Aviators are going to need a higher clearance than Secret. There's really not much in the Secret category that foreign espionage is going to be interested in, much less offer you big bucks for. I suspect that if you walked into the Russian embassy with your garden variety Secret pub, they would laugh at you. So, the standard is generally going to be much higher for your average officer who will likely end up with a high level clearance, than some E-5 running crypto strips into a KY-58.

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GiveLT21DaBall

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Concur. Also, consider this: Most officers, especially Aviators are going to need a higher clearance than Secret. There's really not much in the Secret category that foreign espionage is going to be interested in, much less offer you big bucks for. I suspect that if you walked into the Russian embassy with your garden variety Secret pub, they would laugh at you. So, the standard is generally going to be much higher for your average officer who will likely end up with a high level clearance, than some E-5 running crypto strips into a KY-58.

Brett

Oh ok, that really makes things crystal clear now. Thanks.

I guess that $100 piss on my old bank's bottom line is gonna haunt me for the rest of my life now. Oh ****ing well.
 

PU Grad

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Are you saying the Marines do a credit report check every year?? If that's the case, best of luck to the young sailors and Marines struggling to make ends meet on their E-1, E-2, E-3 pay. Would hate to see their careers hit a wall....

I know they completely go over TS clearance ~ every 5 years. Clearance is not a done once and forget kind of thing. It is checked over every so often and is required to be updated for any changes in your status.
 

Brett327

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Oh ok, that really makes things crystal clear now. Thanks.

I guess that $100 piss on my old bank's bottom line is gonna haunt me for the rest of my life now. Oh ****ing well.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I'm going to politely advise you to improve your attitude towards the people here who are trying to help you by explaining how the system works. If you don't like the rules, you're free to seek employment elsewhere, or write your congressman, but don't take it out on the rest of us, or you're likely to find yourself ostracized.

Brett
 

Harrier Dude

Living the dream
Hopefully to put this to rest, a clearance is a clearance except for what level of classifcation. Rank, service, or affiliation is completely irrelevant. The government will decide what level of clearance you are eligible for, and the custodian of the material will determine your access based on kneed-to-know.

Once you have a clearance, it is reviewed and reinvestigated periodically. For secret, every 10 years, TS/SCI every 5 years. If something comes up (DWI, drugs, etc) on your reinvestigation (or at the time it happens), you can lose your eligibility or have it downgraded.

Financial deliquency is a big problem. It relfects on your trustworthiness and likelihood to blackmail/sale of material for financial need. You can shout at the rain all day about how unfair that is, but it's reality. I'm confident that the statistic bear them out on that.

As a security manager, I had to process several people for clearance issues. Several times it was not me who initiated the investigation. Your command will recieve a Letter of Intent that explains why the individual is going to lose his eligibility and what he/she can do to fight the action. It's a fairly painful process.

It's a new world in security since JPAS came out. It's a computer system that has everybody with a clearance on it. If something happens with you in relation to your clearance, DONCAF (The Man keeping you down) will know about it in very short order. Everybody else will find out the same day via JPAS. In short, if you screw up, you will lose your access very quickly and you are far less likely to "fall through the cracks" than before.
 

thenuge

Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult
I have an active secret clearance but my selection officer said that I have to go through all the background checks again since I am applying for officer-I still have like 5 years before it expires!
 

Harrier Dude

Living the dream
He's wrong (from a security standpoint, not necessarily from an applicant screening standpoint), but it won't kill you to do it again. KEEP A FVCKING COPY!
 
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