Anthropometric issues (are you too big or even too small or...)

[CommodoreMid]

And what about for us little people ie in the neighborhood of 5'4" and 140 lbs? How small is too small?

 

[Malice 1]

are there any differences between NFO's and Pilots as far as anthros go? do Pilots have to meet a more strict measurment table then NFO's or is it generally the same for both? b/c looking online the only antro restriction i could find was for weight but as far as seating height and knee to butt there was no information.

I don't know the answer to that, but like I said earlier, I have never seen a small NFO. I really wouldn't be concerned about being to big for an NFO seat.

 

[Brett327]

I don't know the answer to that, but like I said earlier, I have never seen a small NFO. I really wouldn't be concerned about being to big for an NFO seat.

Unbelievably bad gouge. I've posted this before, enjoy.

*Note*, these are from CNRC's site and may not accurately reflect the recent changes for EA-6B sitting height. Hopefully this will clear up some of the misconceptions in this thread.

ANTHRO REQUIREMENTS:

FOR MALE SNA:
1. Thumb-tip Reach FR: 29.5 inches or greater
2. Buttock Knee Length: greater than 22 inches, but less than 26.5 inches
3. Sitting Height: greater than 34 inches, but less than 38.8 inches
FOR FEMALE SNA:
1. Thumb-tip Reach FR: 29.5 inches or greater
2. Buttock Knee Length: greater than 22 inches, but less than 26.5 inches
3. Sitting Height: greater than 33.5 inches, but less than 38.8 inches
FOR SNFO (MALE OR FEMALE):
1. Thumb-tip Reach FR: 27.5 inches or greater
2. Buttock Knee Length: 20.5 inches or greater
3. Sitting Height: 32 inches or greater
The following guidelines give directions as far as height concerns. Generally an applicant between 66" and 74" will be compatible for all pipelines.

FOR SNA:
1. IF 64 INCHES OR GREATER, BUT LESS THAN 76 INCHES:

- MOST LIKELY ANTHROPOMETRICALLY COMPATIBLE WITH AT LEAST TWO PIPELINES (SOMETIMES THREE)

2. IF GREATER THAN 76 INCHES, BUT LESS THAN 78 INCHES:

- MOST LIKELY ANTHROPOMETRICALLY COMPATIBLE WITH ONLY ONE PIPELINE (NORMALLY PROPS), BUT POSSIBLY TWO PIPELINES (DEPENDS ON SITTING HT).

3. IF LESS THAN 64 INCHES:
• SAFE ANTHROPOMETRICS COMPATIBILITY WITH ANY PIPELINE IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY!

• INDIVIDUAL IN QUESTION SHOULD BE SENT TO NOMI FOR OFFICIAL ANTHROPOMETRIC MEASUREMENT AND EVALUATION BY NASC FLIGHT PHYSIOLOGIST
FOR SNFO:
1. IF BETWEEN 64 INCHES AND 78 INCHES:

- MOST LIKELY ANTHROPOMETRICALLY COMPATIBLE WITH TWO PIPELINES (PROP & JET), BUT POSSIBLE AIRCRAFT RESTRICTIONS SUCH AS THE EA-6B FOR INDIVIDUALS WITH SITTING HEIGHTS GREATER THAN 37.4 INCHES.

2. IF BETWEEN 60 INCHES AND 64 INCHES:
MOST LIKELY ANTHROPOMETRICALLY COMPATIBLE WITH TWO PIPELINES (PROP & JET), BUT POSSIBLE AIRCRAFT RESTRICTIONS SUCH AS THE T-2, F/A-18, AND EA-6B FOR INDIVIDUALS WITH FUNCTIONAL REACHES LESS THAN 27.5 INCHES (T-REX ARMS).

Brett

 

[badger16]

thanks Brett, I found something like that but didn't know what the max was for SNFO's but the info at the bottom of your post really cleared everything up.cheers.

 

[Jay]

That said, when you're down to tenths of an inch, doing gymnastics with a tape measure really isn't going to give you an accurate measurement like the anthro chair at NOMI. That will only tell you if you're well within or well outside the limits.
Brett

Concur, I will caviate that saying I measured my SK and BKL because I was tall, and had my wife help me, we were within .1" of what NOMI measured.

 

[Gatordev]

I'm probably destroying all OSO's credibility with this thread, but did anyone else think that is was devious and clever that you don't get your Antro restrictions told to you until the first day of API? I think it's the Navy's best kept secret.

The measurements are kept in your training jacket and aren't a state secret. All you have to do is ask to review your training jacket and you'll see all.

 

[Nebula.Nebulae]

ANTHRO REQUIREMENTS:

FOR SNA:
2. IF GREATER THAN 76 INCHES, BUT LESS THAN 78 INCHES:

- MOST LIKELY ANTHROPOMETRICALLY COMPATIBLE WITH ONLY ONE PIPELINE (NORMALLY PROPS), BUT POSSIBLY TWO PIPELINES (DEPENDS ON SITTING HT).

Brett

Excuse my ignorance, but what would the possible second pipeline be if you are between 76 and 78 inches?

 

[whitesoxnation]

2. IF GREATER THAN 76 INCHES, BUT LESS THAN 78 INCHES:

- MOST LIKELY ANTHROPOMETRICALLY COMPATIBLE WITH ONLY ONE PIPELINE (NORMALLY PROPS), BUT POSSIBLY TWO PIPELINES (DEPENDS ON SITTING HT).

So it would be safe to say (based on the last part) that if you are 76", but the majority of it is lower body, you are good for more than one?

 

[Brett327]

So it would be safe to say (based on the last part) that if you are 76", but the majority of it is lower body, you are good for more than one?

It's safe to say that each individual aircraft has its own set of anthro limits, and that will ultimately dictate what you can fly. In the grand scheme of things, you really have no more control over what you select than you do over your body's physical dimensions. Get your foot in the door, stop sweating things you can't control, and the rest will take care of itself.

Brett

 

[whitesoxnation]

It's safe to say that each individual aircraft has its own set of anthro limits, and that will ultimately dictate what you can fly. In the grand scheme of things, you really have no more control over what you select than you do over your body's physical dimensions. Get your foot in the door, stop sweating things you can't control, and the rest will take care of itself.

Brett

Thanks

 

[Junior]

It's safe to say that each individual aircraft has its own set of anthro limits, and that will ultimately dictate what you can fly. In the grand scheme of things, you really have no more control over what you select than you do over your body's physical dimensions. Get your foot in the door, stop sweating things you can't control, and the rest will take care of itself.

Brett

Agreed. If you aren't prepared to fly anything in the Navy/USMC don't bother with flight school. Gaming the game is never a good thing.

 

[dbatt005]

Anthropometrics

There are some changes that are being made for the better in the area of Anthropometrics as far as collecting data and screening aviators. For those who are unaware, this can make or break your career as an aviator. In the past, various methods and data sheets have been used in this area. There are many mistakes due to the lack of attention to detail and/or for a lack of better explanation, lack of care by the technician (usually some 3rd class corpsman with bad training). It would be in your best interest as a midshipman/OC applying for an aviation slot to be familiar with OPNAVINST 3710.37A (link below). I see many applicants with messed up measurements and improperly filled out data sheets which in many cases will disqualify you from certian pipelines or aviation altogether. Be proactive and make sure your information is being properly taken. The information is provided on the NASC website (Anthropometrics):
https://www.netc.navy.mil/nascweb/schools.htm

The instruction and form (OPNAV 3710/37A)that should be used is on the website above or more specifically:
https://www.netc.navy.mil/nascweb/anthro_/index.htm

The anthro measurements are usually done as part of your aviation physical and are good for 2 years so start early (i.e. not your last semester).

 

[Ace_Austin]

Is it reasonable to think that if you anthroed into a Hornet for your 1/c cruise you would be within jet-pipeline anthro regs for SNA?

 

[Gatordev]

Yes, unless they remeasure you. I was remeasured when I went through NAMI just because it had been a while since they had done the initial.

 

[Rubiks06]

Make sure they take their time though. When i got mine done the HMSA that measured me was in a hurry to do her smoke break. I had never been out of anthro for anything and amazingly i was .15 out for the T-45 which kills any chance of going to the boat fixed wing. A coastie in my squadron was in the same boat, applied for a remeasure and got it. When he went back they were off by an inch and a half. It just seems to me that they would have a more accurate way of doing it if they are going to restrict someone based on tenths of inches.