Feel free to discuss that with your other friends here.Not recognizing natural immunity is both a part of that policy AND how it will be enforced.
Technically, you said there are no sound reasons to not get vaccinated. And he gave you two! And I agree with him that you and other high ranking Officers should be asking these questions for your people, both as policy and enforcement. And furthermore, these decisions should be between the Member and his Physician not an Unrestricted Line Officer that’s smart cause he was at the Pentagon and went to War College. And I don‘t mean that as an insult! You have experience in leadership and war fighting. Doctors have experience in Medicine!I'm not going to discuss your views on COVID and vaccines. We're all well aware of your stance. I'm here to discuss the policy and how it will be enforced.
I think folks here are forgetting where the vaccine mandate came from. It wasn't the Pentagon, it was the White House. Biden's policy on this will likely end with a shit show, especially in the other branches, as thousands of folks are forced out if Biden doesn't reverse his stance. My guess is all waivers requests, no matter how dubious, will be granted as a way of saving face. Wouldn't be surprised if folks who don't even request waivers are told "Hey, just fill out this paperwork asking for a waiver and we won't adsep you".Technically, you said there are no sound reasons to not get vaccinated. And he gave you two! And I agree with him that you and other high ranking Officers should be asking these questions for your people, both as policy and enforcement. And furthermore, these decisions should be between the Member and his Physician not an Unrestricted Line Officer that’s smart cause he was at the Pentagon and went to War College. And I don‘t mean that as an insult! You have experience in leadership and war fighting. Doctors have experience in Medicine!
You’ve basically paraphrased one of the big lessons learned from the “Why are JOs Leaving” thread. People in leadership roles just aren’t interested in doing what you described. They view this as just another order to follow. “And if people don’t want to play along, screw ‘em! We’re better off without them!” Anyone asking questions is a dissenter, and dissent must be squashed quickly and firmly, lest it encourage the others.Technically, you said there are no sound reasons to not get vaccinated. And he gave you two! And I agree with him that you and other high ranking Officers should be asking these questions for your people, both as policy and enforcement. And furthermore, these decisions should be between the Member and his Physician not an Unrestricted Line Officer that’s smart cause he was at the Pentagon and went to War College. And I don‘t mean that as an insult! You have experience in leadership and war fighting. Doctors have experience in Medicine!
I have heard that some Guard units aren’t even allowing waivers? Something about “I don’t care; the General wants 100% readiness so you’re getting it or you’re done”.I think folks here are forgetting where the vaccine mandate came from. It wasn't the Pentagon, it was the White House. Biden's policy on this will likely end with a shit show, especially in the other branches, as thousands of folks are forced out if Biden doesn't reverse his stance. My guess is all waivers requests, no matter how dubious, will be granted as a way of saving face. Wouldn't be surprised if folks who don't even request waivers are told "Hey, just fill out this paperwork asking for a waiver and we won't adsep you".
Based on guidance received from higher, they expect that nearly all religious waivers will be denied.My guess is all waivers requests, no matter how dubious, will be granted as a way of saving face.
I think you're vastly overestimating the number of people who will refuse the vaccine after the exemption process has run its course. I've seen data on numbers of exemption seekers from a number of geographic regions. All are well below 1%.thousands of folks are forced out if Biden doesn't reverse his stance.
Readiness and mission accomplishment.What are these "practical ramifications" of the policy you're referring to?
Companies are within their rights to mandate flu vaccines; there's no invasion of privacy rights for doing so.Funny how these companies didn’t mandate flu shots before this because that would be an invasion of medical privacy.
What special about vaccines that we need to waive the normal exemption process?Readiness and mission accomplishment.
And yes, I fully support the granting of religious and other exemptions - without burdening the service member with proving their belief beyond stating it.
This.Based on guidance received from higher, they expect that nearly all religious waivers will be denied.
We shall see. Far less than half of many branches reserve units currently have the vax, and a full 4th of the Marines and Army AD still need it. If 95%+ get the vax then I think you're right and they won't change their stance from the hardball they're saying theyre sticking with. If enough folks force their hand, though, I think you're wrong and you'll see their tough talk change rather rapidly (and privately).Based on guidance received from higher, they expect that nearly all religious waivers will be denied.
I think you're vastly overestimating the number of people who will refuse the vaccine after the exemption process has run its course. I've seen data on numbers of exemption seekers from a number of geographic regions. All are well below 1%.
Biden isn't going to change his stance.
@Spekkio they certainly can do that, but have many companies done it before? Or just “encouraged” it?We shall see. Far less than half of many branches reserve units currently have the vax, and a full 4th of the Marines and Army AD still need it. If 95%+ get the vax then I think you're right and they won't change their stance from the hardball they're saying theyre sticking with. If enough folks force their hand, though, I think you're wrong and you'll see their tough talk change rather rapidly (and privately).
I don't have an exact count, but it's not uncommon. The flu is also two to three orders of magnitude less deadly than COVID-19.They certainly can do that, but have many companies done it before? Or just “encouraged” it?
What’s the latest fatality rates for covid compared to the flu? I’d love to see the data.I don't have an exact count, but it's not uncommon. The flu is also two to three orders of magnitude less deadly than COVID-19.