COVID-19

[insanebikerboy]

“Working hard” is a cop out. They are not doing their job, plain and simple.

My sarcasm meter may be broken but...

I have five family members who are all teachers, covering gamut from elementary to high school, and they all say that running a virtual class with normal school hours is exponentially more difficult than having a traditional in-person school day.

 

[Treetop Flyer]

My sarcasm meter may be broken but...

I have five family members who are all teachers, covering gamut from elementary to high school, and they all say that running a virtual class with normal school hours is exponentially more difficult than having a traditional in-person school day.

Bummer. I don’t have kids but according to my brothers (and pretty much everyone else I’ve heard) the virtual learning isn’t effective and the kids are miserable. There’s mountains of data worldwide that points to keeping kids in school. Teachers should go to work or get replaced, but in places like Fairfax the teachers union and local government prefer to sacrifice children’s education and well being. My brother makes enough money to hire tutors and make up the difference. Poor kids are just screwed.

 

[Treetop Flyer]

Teaching class 5 days a week, with similar hours to their ‘normal’ schedule, isn’t working hard?

Ain’t their choice here anyways, but why would that matter?

Like I said above I don’t care about “working hard”. If they aren’t getting the job done I don’t care how many hours they worked from home.

 

[Flash]

That’s not true. A number of scientists have acknowledged that it’s possible - even plausible - that the lab leak hypothesis has an equal or greater chance of being true than the wet market hypothesis. China’s wet markets are still open, by the way.

Yes, it is. Questions about its origin ≠ proof of it coming from a lab. As far as I can tell the guy you cited is the only one that says he found that particular marker/indicator/whatever, other credible folks have questioned where it might have originated but as far as I know have not claimed to have found proof it came from a lab, intentional or not.

How do you think SARS-COV2 originated?

Probably naturally as the vast majority of experts think at this point. It fits in with past epidemics and pandemics and its origins don't seem all that fishy to me, so to speak. I have an open mind though, if credible evidence comes to light showing otherwise then I'm more than willing to reassess but there hasn't yet so I haven't.

If they did, it’d be classified. We shouldn’t confirm or deny that they did or didn’t find any indications.

Of course we would never publicly accuse a country of doing something using what we have found out from classified means but keeping many of the details secret. Perish the thought! We certainly wouldn't do anything like:

• Accuse a country of gassing its own citizens
• Accuse another country of trying to poison a former intelligence agent
• Or poisoning a political opposition figure.

Just to name a few. Naw, we wouldn't do any of that.

And certainly the President, who has never declassified anything himself to prove a point, would just sit on such intel even though it would prove that China was wholly and completely responsible for the virus thus validating one of his central campaign themes. Nope, wouldn't happen.

For a supposedly intelligent guy you don't seem to know how intelligence often works.

Not only that, if a non-intelligence agency found something suspicious they possibly would not be bound by the same classification restraints. And that isn't counting a public or private US laboratory, of which there are scores of world-class ones. Or any number of very competent foreign government and non-governmental agencies along with numerous laboratories around the world. All of these entities and their personnel have a very keen interest in finding out the origins of the virus. How many of them have declared it to come from a lab, intentional or not? Again, almost everyone has questions on the origin of the virus but no credible agency or lab have said it came from a lab, intentional or not, or that it was man-made/altered.

 

[Flash]

Like I said above I don’t care about “working hard”. If they aren’t getting the job done I don’t care how many hours they worked from home.

Who said they weren't getting the job done? They are for my kids. It certainly isn't ideal but it is school.

 

[SlickAg]

Who said they weren't getting the job done? They are for my kids. It certainly isn't ideal but it ain't it is school.

The incredibly biased, far-right publication called The Washington Post for example. Again, if online learning is working so well, why is the beloved Dr. Fauci calling for students to return to in-person schooling? Again, good for your kids. This is the exception and not the rule.

“A flood of new data — on the national, state and district levels — finds students began this academic year behind. Most of the research concludes students of color and those in high-poverty communities fell further behind their peers, exacerbating long-standing gaps in American education.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/education/students-falling-behind/2020/12/06/88d7157a-3665-11eb-8d38-6aea1adb3839_story.html%3foutputType=amp

 

[Flash]

Why doesn't your school district believe in science? They also probably don't teach the theory of evolution. Also interesting that you would believe Dr. Fauci so much when it comes to masks and not believe him about sending children back to school. I'm glad your kids' teachers are working so hard. I'm sure that's exactly what is happening everywhere schools remain closed and not just suburban DC.

""Close the bars and keep the schools open," Fauci said to host Martha Raddatz. "Obviously, you don't have one size fits all. But as I said in the past, the default position should be to try as best as possible within reason to keep the children in school, or to get them back to school.""

Or maybe they are doing the best they can given uncertain information, a population of teachers and students that includes or directly touches high-risk individuals and an extra abundance of caution. Given the size of my school district and all the complexities involved, I don't envy them or the position they're in.

Good one! Now do Florida.

Or maybe not, sheer number of posts ≠ being right.

 

[Treetop Flyer]

Who said they weren't getting the job done? They are for my kids. It certainly isn't ideal but it ain't it is school.

Ok Flash, if you say so

Students are falling behind in online school. Where's the COVID-19 'disaster plan' to catch them up?

Students nationwide are falling behind and teachers are stressed as schools go online. But there's still no grand plan to improve virtual learning.

www.usatoday.com

As virtual school year begins, frustrated parents are pushing school boards to reconsider

Many parents are adamant that online instruction isn’t working for children and families — and pleading with school boards to consider bringing students back to school as soon as possible.

www.inquirer.com

‘Failure rates up, grades down:’ Virtual learning struggles push students back in classroom

Many students have struggled with virtual learning, and thousands haven't even logged in

www.al.com

 

[SlickAg]

Or maybe they are doing the best they can given uncertain information, a population of teachers and students that includes or directly touches high-risk individuals and an extra abundance of caution. Given the size of my school district and all the complexities involved, I don't envy them or the position they're in.

You've described literally every school district in America. Lots of them are making it work and I’m pretty sure yours could too. Keeping schools closed is purely political at this point.

Or maybe not, sheer number of posts ≠ being right.

Or I suppose you could've waited to respond until you had some data to back up your claim?

Ok Flash, if you say so

Students are falling behind in online school. Where's the COVID-19 'disaster plan' to catch them up?

Students nationwide are falling behind and teachers are stressed as schools go online. But there's still no grand plan to improve virtual learning.

www.usatoday.com

As virtual school year begins, frustrated parents are pushing school boards to reconsider

Many parents are adamant that online instruction isn’t working for children and families — and pleading with school boards to consider bringing students back to school as soon as possible.

www.inquirer.com

‘Failure rates up, grades down:’ Virtual learning struggles push students back in classroom

Many students have struggled with virtual learning, and thousands haven't even logged in

www.al.com

Hey man, sheer number of posts doesn't mean you're right. @Flash just said so.

 

[dg_2020]

Not related to the ongoing conversation, but looking for insight. Due to my current job, I will likely be receiving the vaccine prior to going to OCS (July 4th class). Wondering if anyone has thoughts on if I would still be required to report for ROM before OCS or if that is going to be waived as more people receive the vaccine?

 

[dg_2020]

You've described literally every school district in America. Lots of them are making it work and I’m pretty sure yours could too. Keeping schools closed is purely political at this point.


Or I suppose you could've waited to respond until you had some data to back up your claim?

I'm in education. Our school knows it would be better to be open (and have the data to back that up significantly), but also cannot open because of parent/guardian fears (they voted to remain close) and current state laws. It's not quite as easy as a snap of your finger to run a school right now - but only distance definitely isn't the solution for academic success. Just my $0.02.

 

[Treetop Flyer]

Not related to the ongoing conversation, but looking for insight. Due to my current job, I will likely be receiving the vaccine prior to going to OCS (July 4th class). Wondering if anyone has thoughts on if I would still be required to report for ROM before OCS or if that is going to be waived as more people receive the vaccine?

My unit’s guidance is that getting the vaccine doesn’t exempt you from any scary-virus mitigation measures.

 

[dg_2020]

My unit’s guidance is that getting the vaccine doesn’t exempt you from any scary-virus mitigation measures.

I was really hoping to get out of the hotel stay-cation... thanks though.

 

[Hair Warrior]

Yes, it is. Questions about its origin ≠ proof of it coming from a lab. As far as I can tell the guy you cited is the only one that says he found that particular marker/indicator/whatever, other credible folks have questioned where it might have originated but as far as I know have not claimed to have found proof it came from a lab, intentional or not.



Probably naturally as the vast majority of experts think at this point. It fits in with past epidemics and pandemics and its origins don't seem all that fishy to me, so to speak. I have an open mind though, if credible evidence comes to light showing otherwise then I'm more than willing to reassess but there hasn't yet so I haven't.



Of course we would never publicly accuse a country of doing something using what we have found out from classified means but keeping many of the details secret. Perish the thought! We certainly wouldn't do anything like:

• Accuse a country of gassing its own citizens
• Accuse another country of trying to poison a former intelligence agent
• Or poisoning a political opposition figure.

Just to name a few. Naw, we wouldn't do any of that.

And certainly the President, who has never declassified anything himself to prove a point, would just sit on such intel even though it would prove that China was wholly and completely responsible for the virus thus validating one of his central campaign themes. Nope, wouldn't happen.

For a supposedly intelligent guy you don't seem to know how intelligence often works.

Not only that, if a non-intelligence agency found something suspicious they possibly would not be bound by the same classification restraints. And that isn't counting a public or private US laboratory, of which there are scores of world-class ones. Or any number of very competent foreign government and non-governmental agencies along with numerous laboratories around the world. All of these entities and their personnel have a very keen interest in finding out the origins of the virus. How many of them have declared it to come from a lab, intentional or not? Again, almost everyone has questions on the origin of the virus but no credible agency or lab have said it came from a lab, intentional or not, or that it was man-made/altered.

Have you ruled out the possibility of lab editing?

Do you have proof that the virus originated 100% naturally, including its furin site spike protein, from the wet market in Wuhan?

 

[SlickAg]

I'm in education. Our school knows it would be better to be open (and have the data to back that up significantly), but also cannot open because of parent/guardian fears (they voted to remain close) and current state laws. It's not quite as easy as a snap of your finger to run a school right now - but only distance definitely isn't the solution for academic success. Just my $0.02.

The state laws would be those of...California?