USMC Executive Flight Detachment (HMX-1 and Presidential Helo)

[HeyJoe]

VMX-22 does the OT&E stuff that HMX does with Phrogs. No real need to duplicate efforts.

Exactly. As backdrop, prior to 2003 and creation of VMX-22, HMX-1 provided an OTD (Operational Test Director) and pilots for MV-22 Operational Testing. In a way, VMX-22 sprung from the forehead of HMX-1 in order to have a dedicated Tilt-Rotor OT unit when the Osprey returned to flight after the hiatus in all flight testing after initial mishaps.

 

[abt123]

I bought a book and
according to Lynn Montross "Cavalry of the Sky" May 27 1950 is the anwer to my original question.

Bye.

 

[VIZKRIEG]

I think we can all agree that an Osprey would look pretty shit-hot in an HMX paint-scheme...

 

[phrogdriver]

I think we can all agree that an Osprey would look pretty shit-hot in an HMX paint-scheme...

What, white wings and midwing with green fuselage? I suppose.

I'm still rooting for the darker shiny gray, but I think we're sticking with haze gray, unfortunately. And now here I am, sounding like the "E" channel for aircraft...

 

[Flash]

I think we can all agree that an Osprey would look pretty shit-hot in an HMX paint-scheme...

What, white wings and midwing with green fuselage? I suppose.

Only the VH-3's and the VH-60's, the helos that usually carry the president, have the green and white paint scheme. The H-46's and H-53's in the squadron have a gloss green paint scheme with 'racing stripes', no white top.

 

[ChuckMK23]

Was a Presidential V-22 ever even seriously considered (VV-22)? Or was it assumed it'd be a long time before it was considered "reliable" enough? Or that the prop wash would destroy the White House landscaping?

No - the replacement for the obsolete VH-3D is the VH-71 - a sophisticated and modern European rotorcraft. Hopefully the Leader of the Free World can now fly in a up to date piece of engineering and technology.

 

[phrogdriver]

No - the replacement for the obsolete VH-3D is the VH-71 - a sophisticated and modern European rotorcraft. Hopefully the Leader of the Free World can now fly in a up to date piece of engineering and technology.

Well, duh.

That wasn't the question. I think everyone knows that the VH-71, formerly the US-101, formerly the EH-101, is the replacement. It won a controversial competition with Sikorsky's S-92. The question was whether the Osprey was considered at all. I don't think that ever got past the concept phase, if at all. Someone with more knowledge of the competition could probably fill in more on how they winnow out the field at various phases.

 

[MasterBates]

That being said, President Obama has flown in V-22s when he was a Senator, right?

 

[phrogdriver]

That being said, President Obama has flown in V-22s when he was a Senator, right?

Yes, he flew in one while he was visiting Iraq during the campaign.

 

[bert]

Well, duh.

That wasn't the question. I think everyone knows that the VH-71, formerly the US-101, formerly the EH-101, is the replacement. It won a controversial competition with Sikorsky's S-92. The question was whether the Osprey was considered at all. I don't think that ever got past the concept phase, if at all. Someone with more knowledge of the competition could probably fill in more on how they winnow out the field at various phases.

V-22 dabbled in the CSAR-X competition against the same 71/92 entrants but was withdrawn. It would never have been suitable for the presidential missions for a number of reasons and was not entered.

 

[Birdog8585]

V-22 dabbled in the CSAR-X competition against the same 71/92 entrants but was withdrawn. It would never have been suitable for the presidential missions for a number of reasons and was not entered.

I would venture to guess that one of those reasons would be because the rotor wash would probobly blow over the press in the viewing area...not that that would be such a bad thing

 

[busdriver]

I would imagine the un-proven factor had a lot to do with the Osprey not being looked at. As to CSAR-X, one of my previous commanders swore the Osprey was the perfect CSAR bird (he was slightly biased after being involved in its development), but with as much as it costs (the CV version) there's no chance the AF would buy 141 of the them.

 

[Birdog8585]

Uh oh...

"Hey Farva, what's that place we used to go to, with all the goofy shit on the walls...?"

"Shinanigans?"

^That about sums it up - Shake-up for Air Force One helicopter, fixed-wing bidders

 

[2ndGen]

Uh oh...

"Hey Farva, what's that place we used to go to, with all the goofy shit on the walls...?"

"Shinanigans?"

^That about sums it up - Shake-up for Air Force One helicopter, fixed-wing bidders

If the Government gives Airbus the contract for the new Air Force One, I'll fucking vomit.

 

[statesman]

Is there a reason that the 53 was not selected. It seems that the American made -53 would be plenty big enough and have a proven track record to be competitive. Does anyone know if it was even considered?