COVID-19

[FinkUFreaky]

It’s been in the news multiple governors have said the same type of things to city and county governments.

A good example is the governor who told the city they had to reopen their beaches because the Governor’s order overrode the Mayor’s order.

It is going to be interesting to see how this works out with reopening the economy and the Governors that are banding together to try and push Trump aside.

Since the aid package allows the Secretary of the Treasury to set conditions, it could boil down to a “If you want to do it on your own, you’re really doing on your own. You screw with the rest of the country’s recovery, we’ll just have to ensure they get the aid. You fuck it up, you lose.”

This is kind of like NY Governor demanding 10,000 federal ventilators when he didn’t need that many. Screw what the rest of the country needed from the limited supply.

BTW, the Constitution gives the federal government precedence over state government. I’m a believer in state’s rights but when a state takes actions that affect other states, then the federal government has the constitutional right and obligation to take control and enforce compliance with federal authority.

I mean.. Why is the drinking age in every state 21? Not because it's a federal law. You just won't get the transportation federal funds if it's any lower. Same shit probably applies here. I also am in favor of states rights, and think they should be allowed to do their thing... But no. Fed has control.. Because otherwise their state citizens will be paying taxes to support things that aren't helping their state.

 

[HokiePilot]

Did you read that article? They pulled people off of the high dose group in a double blind study.

Here’s another article. Do you think the President wasn’t briefed on this before he talked about it??

Doctors, pols urge earlier use of ‘miracle’ coronavirus drug cocktail

A growing number of experts believe that an effective way to control the spiraling pandemic is to prescribe the anti-malarial at the first sign of symptoms.

www.google.com

So, I've done some more digging on that article. It uses as a source "the American Society of [sic]Thoracic Surgeons". There is no such thing (even if you take out the double space). I've only been able to find the "Society of Thoracic Surgeons" and "American Association for Thoracic Surgery". Surgeons are peripherally connected to this, but wouldn't be the people issuing guidance.

But the "American Thoracic Society" did issue some guidance.

https://www.thoracic.org/profession...sease-related-resources/covid-19-guidance.pdf

Some pretty shitty journalism indeed.

 

[taxi1]

BTW, the Constitution gives the federal government precedence over state government.

From the 10th amendment of the Constitution

Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled.

Thank goodness too. If we'd have been waiting on Trump to lock down the portions of the country that did it themselves earlier, we'd have 10s of thousands more dead than we have already.

 

[Jim123]

Hydroxychloroquine, approved in 1955, is typically preferred over chloroquine because it has fewer side effects. Side effects for both medications, which are more common at higher doses and with long-term use, include:

• Long QT or QT prolongation (abnormal heart rhythm)

It has a synergistic effect on this side effect when taken with z-pack (Azithromycin), which is an antibiotic commonly prescribed for pneumonia (and obviously an option for treating COVID-related pneumonia). In other words, each drug can be bad for your heart. Both put together can be really, really bad for your heart.

This detail is pretty well known in the medical community. The same information has been freely available on the internet for a couple of weeks, but I don't know if it made it out onto any of the network news channels (pick your favorite version of dumb... they're all dumb).

Not trying to sound flippant with anything I'm writing in this post. Well, except for the part when I put down TV network news.

 

[SlickAg]

I'm waiting for a health expert to say that it is a probably safe and mostly effective drug for this coronavirus. I would love to see it, but I haven't.

The plural of anecdote is not data.

This is probably about as good as you're going to get right now bud. Now, are the below epidemiologists and disease specialists expert enough for you?

“We cannot draw definitive conclusions from these data, but the observations from this group of hospitalized patients who received remdesivir are hopeful,” said Jonathan Grein, lead author of the analysis and director of hospital epidemiology at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles, in a statement from Gilead. “We look forward to the results of controlled clinical trials to potentially validate these findings.”

“Results are indeed hopeful and promising from this uncontrolled remdesivir intervention study,” tweeted Eric Feigl-Ding, an epidemiologist and health economist at the Harvard T. H. Chan School of Public Health. “TRIALS TRIALS TRIALS PLEASE,” he added.

Paul Goepfert, an infectious disease specialist at the University of Alabama at Birmingham, told the Washington Post that “It’s still a promising drug, but it doesn’t definitively prove anything.” He added, “The main thing you can gather from this study is it doesn’t cause any untoward harm.”

New insights into potential coronavirus treatments

Remdesivir looks "hopeful" but hydroxychloroquine has some worrying side effects.

www.vox.com

 

[SlickAg]

It has a synergistic effect on this side effect when taken with z-pack (Azithromycin), which is an antibiotic commonly prescribed for pneumonia (and obviously an option for treating COVID-related pneumonia).

This detail is pretty well known in the medical community. The same information has been freely available on the internet for a couple of weeks, but I don't know if it made it out onto any of the network news channels (pick your favorite version of dumb... they're all dumb).

They're all busy bashing the President. Except for the one that's busy defending him.

Speaking of how terrible the news is, I'm surprised there hasn't been more activity in the Politics Thunderdome talking about Creepy Uncle Joe having to read off a teleprompter in order to have a chat with his good friend Bernie. The debates are going to make for riveting TV; dude can barely even read a script. Not to mention the NYT burying the article about the sexual assault that wasn't because his name isn't Kavanaugh. Fascinating times.

 

[SlickAg]

So, I've done some more digging on that article. It uses as a source "the American Society of [sic]Thoracic Surgeons". There is no such thing (even if you take out the double space). I've only been able to find the "Society of Thoracic Surgeons" and "American Association for Thoracic Surgery". Surgeons are peripherally connected to this, but wouldn't be the people issuing guidance.

But the "American Thoracic Society" did issue some guidance.

https://www.thoracic.org/profession...sease-related-resources/covid-19-guidance.pdf

Some pretty shitty journalism indeed.

If your flow through doesn't work out maybe you can get a job as an editor or fact checker.

 

[HokiePilot]

They're all busy bashing the President. Except for the one that's busy defending him.

Speaking of how terrible the news is, I'm surprised there hasn't been more activity in the Politics Thunderdome talking about Creepy Uncle Joe having to read off a teleprompter in order to have a chat with his good friend Bernie. The debates are going to make for riveting TV; dude can barely even read a script. Not to mention the NYT burying the article about the sexual assault that wasn't because his name isn't Kavanaugh. Fascinating times.

WTF does Biden have to do with any of this? Have you ran out of ways to defend the President and taken to attacking other people?

 

[FinkUFreaky]

From the 10th amendment of the Constitution

Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled.

Thank goodness too. If we'd have been waiting on Trump to lock down the portions of the country that did it themselves earlier, we'd have 10s of thousands more dead than we have already.

Tenth amendment is one of my favorites and sadly is fairly worthless. Read my example above, where in the constitution is it delegated to select a legal drinking age? It's not. And yet, it became national when federal road funding was withheld to states that had one lower than 21.

That is one example. There are plenty more.. Pick an issue. I'm not an expert, but used to care more about politics and the tenth amendment I think is one that is abused more than most.

If and when the federal government decides to reopen the country, I'm sure there will be plenty more stimulus money contingent upon state cooperation. I don't like it. But don't kid yourself.

 

[sevenhelmet]

Leave medical diagnoses to the medical experts.

But aggregate expertise and make informed and balanced decisions to get the #$%^ing show on the road. If you only ask lawyers for a risk decision, nobody would ever take a contract...

And ignore the goddamned media. FFS. They'll act like the sky is falling no matter what- keep in mind they're trying to sell a story to MAKE MONEY.

 

[nittany03]

Tenth amendment is one of my favorites and sadly is fairly worthless. Read my example above, where in the constitution is it delegated to select a legal drinking age? It's not. And yet, it became national when federal road funding was withheld to states that had one lower than 21.

I'll take "abusing the Commerce Clause" for $500, Alex. Right up there with neutering the 14th Amendment in bullshit ideas that are still SCOTUS precedent.

 

[SlickAg]

WTF does Biden have to do with any of this? Have you ran out of ways to defend the President and taken to attacking other people?

That was actually more of a Hail Mary that someone would revive the Thunderdome so we can all go argue over there about this one-sided presidential race instead of the Coronavirus. (I say one-sided because typically a political race has TWO living candidates in it and not one. Zing!)

But by all means, you keep attacking the President here and I’ll keep defending him.

You should channel some of your creative energy and write another blog post to let us know how four striping is going.

Lastly, you didn’t tell me what you thought of the Vox article. I thought it’d be right up your alley there, Cap.

 

[JTS11]

It’s been in the news multiple governors have said the same type of things to city and county governments.

A good example is the governor who told the city they had to reopen their beaches because the Governor’s order overrode the Mayor’s order.

It is going to be interesting to see how this works out with reopening the economy and the Governors that are banding together to try and push Trump aside.

Since the aid package allows the Secretary of the Treasury to set conditions, it could boil down to a “If you want to do it on your own, you’re really doing on your own. You screw with the rest of the country’s recovery, we’ll just have to ensure they get the aid. You fuck it up, you lose.”

This is kind of like NY Governor demanding 10,000 federal ventilators when he didn’t need that many. Screw what the rest of the country needed from the limited supply.

BTW, the Constitution gives the federal government precedence over state government. I’m a believer in state’s rights but when a state takes actions that affect other states, then the federal government has the constitutional right and obligation to take control and enforce compliance with federal authority.

LOL

Well that's just great. So, out of the 3 branches of federal government, the Treasury Secretary now has unchecked gangster authority over the states to dole out 2 Trillion in bennies?

Weren't there Tea Parties formed over this type of shit before? (Almost 1 ? from presidency)

The conservative movement is dead.

 

[HAL Pilot]

From the 10th amendment of the Constitution

Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right, which is not by this Confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled.

Thank goodness too. If we'd have been waiting on Trump to lock down the portions of the country that did it themselves earlier, we'd have 10s of thousands more dead than we have already.

But the interstate commerce clause allows the federal government to overrule states. Shutting down a state affects commerce.

LOL

Well that's just great. So, out of the 3 branches of federal government, the Treasury Secretary now has unchecked gangster authority over the states to dole out 2 Trillion in bennies?

Weren't there Tea Parties formed over this type of shit before? (Almost 1 ? from presidency)

The conservative movement is dead.

No, the Congress gave the executive branch the power via the Treasure Secretary. The Treasure Secretary carries out the President's policy. So if the President says we are going to do such and such, then he is directing the Treasure Secretary to act on his behalf with the power granted by Congress. If a state decides to challenge what the executive does, then the Judiciary will decide. I.e. all 3 branches of the federal government working as they are supposed to.

You want to really totally destroy the economy and prevent a recovery? Let 50 states all decide independently on how to open / work the economy. But I understand, some people are willing to sacrifice the economy and have a long, lasting depression just to get Trump out of office.

 

[JTS11]

But the interstate commerce clause allows the federal government to overrule states. Shutting down a state affects commerce.

Which article of the constitution is the commerce clause in?