COVID-19

[HokiePilot]

If your flow through doesn't work out maybe you can get a job as an editor or fact checker.

I wish the reporter or fact checker could have done that basic google search that I did.

Thanks for the advice, but I'm happy with my career track right now. It was looking much better 2 months ago, but I'm sitting tight right now.

 

[HAL Pilot]

Which article of the constitution is the commerce clause in?

I don't know, but it's there. Google it and while you're at it, google the various court rulings giving concerning it the feds their power.

 

[JTS11]

I would have expected more from a big 10th amendment guy. ?

I'm more of a 3rd amendment guy myself.

 

[Ken_gone_flying]

I'm waiting for a health expert to say that it is a probably safe and mostly effective drug for this coronavirus. I would love to see it, but I haven't.

The plural of anecdote is not data.

How about this French Study of 1,061 COVID-19 patients? This was released this weekend.

Big Takeaways:

-Patients were treated with at least 3 days of Hydroxychloroquine-Azithromycin

-Follow-up of at least 9 days.

-No cardiac toxicity observed

-Good clinical outcome and virological cure for 973 patients within 10 days (91.7%)

-Poor clinic outcome in 46 patients (4.3%)

-5 patients died (0.47%) All that died were between 74 and 95 years old and required 10 days of hospitalization or more

This looks pretty damn promising to me.

AAAS

blogs.sciencemag.org

 

[HokiePilot]

This is probably about as good as you're going to get right now bud. Now, are the below epidemiologists and disease specialists expert enough for you?

“We cannot draw definitive conclusions from these data, but the observations from this group of hospitalized patients who received remdesivir are hopeful,” said Jonathan Grein, lead author of the analysis and director of hospital epidemiology at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles, in a statement from Gilead. “We look forward to the results of controlled clinical trials to potentially validate these findings.”

“Results are indeed hopeful and promising from this uncontrolled remdesivir intervention study,” tweeted Eric Feigl-Ding, an epidemiologist and health economist at the Harvard T. H. Chan School of Public Health. “TRIALS TRIALS TRIALS PLEASE,” he added.

Paul Goepfert, an infectious disease specialist at the University of Alabama at Birmingham, told the Washington Post that “It’s still a promising drug, but it doesn’t definitively prove anything.” He added, “The main thing you can gather from this study is it doesn’t cause any untoward harm.”

New insights into potential coronavirus treatments

Remdesivir looks "hopeful" but hydroxychloroquine has some worrying side effects.

www.vox.com

So I went back and read that article. I missed it on first reading of this thread. I would recommend you reading it again. Maybe with a little closer eye too. Note that remdesivir is not the same as Hydroxychloroquine. They were separate topics addressed in the same article.

 

[HAL Pilot]

I would have expected more from a big 10th amendment guy. ?

I'm more of a 3rd amendment guy myself.

I believe in state's rights when practical. When a state affects another state's economy, it's not practical.

 

[SlickAg]

So I went back and read that article. I missed it on first reading of this thread. I would recommend you reading it again. Maybe with a little closer eye too. Note that remdesivir is not the same as Hydroxychloroquine. They were separate topics addressed in the same article.

Good catch and good call. I was mistakenly using those quotes as though they were promoting hydroxychloroquine and they clearly are not. See previous post I made about your potential side hustle.

I’m glad @Ken_gone_flying posted the French study. But people will nay-say that one as well I’m sure.

 

[HokiePilot]

How about this French Study of 1,061 COVID-19 patients? This was released this weekend.

Big Takeaways:

-Patients were treated with at least 3 days of Hydroxychloroquine-Azithromycin

-Follow-up of at least 9 days.

-No cardiac toxicity observed

-Good clinical outcome and virological cure for 973 patients within 10 days (91.7%)

-Poor clinic outcome in 46 patients (4.3%)

-5 patients died (0.47%) All that died were between 74 and 95 years old and required 10 days of hospitalization or more

This looks pretty damn promising to me.

AAAS

blogs.sciencemag.org

That's great news!

 

[FinkUFreaky]

I would have expected more from a big 10th amendment guy. ?

I'm more of a 3rd amendment guy myself.

Soldiers forcefully take your house recently?

 

[JTS11]

Soldiers forcefully take your house recently?

No, I generally used it as a North Star when out drinking on det.

 

[sevenhelmet]

Speaking of drinking games, watch any streaming service with commercials and take a shot every time you hear the following:

1.) "These are unprecedented times"

2.) We're here for you"

Last man standing...

 

[SlickAg]

How about this French Study of 1,061 COVID-19 patients? This was released this weekend.

Big Takeaways:

-Patients were treated with at least 3 days of Hydroxychloroquine-Azithromycin

-Follow-up of at least 9 days.

-No cardiac toxicity observed

-Good clinical outcome and virological cure for 973 patients within 10 days (91.7%)

-Poor clinic outcome in 46 patients (4.3%)

-5 patients died (0.47%) All that died were between 74 and 95 years old and required 10 days of hospitalization or more

This looks pretty damn promising to me.

AAAS

blogs.sciencemag.org

Wasn’t this the trial to which the President was referring? The early reports of how they seemed to be having success?

 

[Hair Warrior]

I'm more of a 3rd amendment guy myself.

Too bad it doesn’t apply to Sailors, Airmen, Marines, or Space Force.

 

[Ken_gone_flying]

Wasn’t this the trial to which the President was referring? The early reports of how they seemed to be having success?

I’m not sure. This particular study used patients with day zero between March 3rd and March 31st but the study wasn’t released until this weekend, April 11th. I guess it’s possible he heard about the success before it was complete. But I’ve seen doctors from all over the world praising Hydroxychloroquine for the success they’ve had treating COVID patients so it’s possible he got the idea elsewhere.

 

[wink]

Under the heading of FAILURE ( models, leaders, polices) we may be able to add over use of ventilators. Yup, that's right. While NY Gov Cuomo ranted about needing 30K ventilators (statewide), they have gotten by with about 4K. Good thing. Docs are now beginning to find evidence, dreaded useless dangerous anecdotal evidence, that COVID patients may be intubated unnecessarily and put on ventilators too long. And, some of these docs, in the trenches with their own observations to inform them, are changing procedures based on, ? that anecdotal evidence.
BLUF Intubated patients on ventilators usually die at a rate of around 50%. COVID patients on ventilators are dying at a rate closed to 80%. now before all you Holiday Inn Express guests go on and on about how deadly COVID is from the get go, there is other evidence including and interesting fact about blood oxygen levels, labored breathing and fatality rates of folks not intubated for weeks. YMMV.

Speaking of anecdotal evidence ( you do know that we convict in courts of law based on anecdotal evidence every day ), while the side effects of hydroxychloroquine in its use for COVID is debatable, the side effects and safety in a general sense is known because of it's approval and use for many decades. More over, we know from observation (oh dear, anecdotal evidence) that the rate of death from the side effects in COVID patients is almost unheard of. A patient may not be cured and perish anyway, but apparently, not from side effects due to the drug, but lack of efficacy. Was it not worth a try? All you guys holding the reins tight on this will take your chances if a loved one is hospitalized with COVID. Guaranfuckingtee it.