We know, we know...
But right now might not be the best time to "Ensigns, unite!" Head forward, mouth shut. For now.
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Brownshoes banned from A-pool inspections!
- Thread starter ea6bflyr
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We know, we know...
But right now might not be the best time to "Ensigns, unite!" Head forward, mouth shut. For now.
especially when threatening with pink slips for those who want to dissent
You'd be suprised what you can accomplish through the proper use of JOPA power. If you want the silliness to end, then the JOPA collective needs to step up, police your own, and unite. JOPA power is limitless. I miss my JOPA card. *sniff sniff*
-ea6bflyr
NOTE: JOPA power may not apply to flight students or A-Poolers.
-ea6bflyr
NOTE: JOPA power may not apply to flight students or A-Poolers.
A collective revolt in the name of brown shoes is one thing...
I like the spirit here but...... Its hard in my mind to extend the umbrella of JOPA protection over a group of folks who haven't proven anything but the ability to properly drain a pitcher of brew and pitch a tent everytime a plane flies over in the landing pattern in their newly butter barred khakis.
Anyone can do it, your designator as a wannabe naval aviator does not make you "a special flower". I'm all about "fighting the man", but get real, did you do anything to earn yer brown shoes? Lots of folks went to college and studied hard.
With no legit fighting experience behind you, I'd suck it up and keep my cake hole shut till I get to primary and touch an actual Navy airplane (with orange and white training wheels on it).
I like the spirit here but...... Its hard in my mind to extend the umbrella of JOPA protection over a group of folks who haven't proven anything but the ability to properly drain a pitcher of brew and pitch a tent everytime a plane flies over in the landing pattern in their newly butter barred khakis.
Anyone can do it, your designator as a wannabe naval aviator does not make you "a special flower". I'm all about "fighting the man", but get real, did you do anything to earn yer brown shoes? Lots of folks went to college and studied hard.
With no legit fighting experience behind you, I'd suck it up and keep my cake hole shut till I get to primary and touch an actual Navy airplane (with orange and white training wheels on it).
magnetfreezer
Well-Known Member
Definitely would have helped in this case; we should all fix the situation by sending out squadron wide emails reminding people of the Navy regs against driving 600+ miles on a weekday to slaughter endangered birds.
and the so called JOPA crumbles... Collaborators!
Save it for the fleet. Tuck this away in memory bank as not worth "pissing on the electric fence". Prove yourselves worthy, expect nothing, be quiet professionals at work and raise hell the rest of the time.
Save it for the fleet. Tuck this away in memory bank as not worth "pissing on the electric fence". Prove yourselves worthy, expect nothing, be quiet professionals at work and raise hell the rest of the time.
phrogpilot73
Well-Known Member
However, COMMA - remember that brown shoes were created by SNAs. They can dictate a certain set of footwear for an inspection (black), and that's a lawful order. You're playing with fire to challenge that. However, you want to keep those new black kicks in inspection ready condition? Wear brown every other time...
Proper newbie-JOPA response is to continually wear brown when they haven't prescribed black. If they say you must wear it in formation? Wear them in formation, then change in your car and walk into StuCon with your brown shoes on (more effective if you walk in within 5 minutes of formation/inspection). THAT'S the way to stick it to the man. As long as you're keeping your nose clean, they'll respect it...
Proper newbie-JOPA response is to continually wear brown when they haven't prescribed black. If they say you must wear it in formation? Wear them in formation, then change in your car and walk into StuCon with your brown shoes on (more effective if you walk in within 5 minutes of formation/inspection). THAT'S the way to stick it to the man. As long as you're keeping your nose clean, they'll respect it...
Sage wisdom here. If your CO were to order you to present yourself for inspection in black shoes, khaki combo cover, and SWOter, the correct response is "yes, sir," then change 2 minutes afterward.
The problem is that we were told to be in an inspection ready uniform at all times...therefore, black shoes at all times.
They told me to buy an inspection-only uniform. Well we have inspections every day now.
Or you could do what you are told regardless of feelings, blend into the woodwork and wait until it is over. This approach is not a bad way to complete any type of initial training.
I don't pretend to know how significant brown shoes are in the USN but I can recognize when a command is pissed the F off and looking for more people to crush; now might not be the time to stick your head out of the whackamole game that is the pool. This is especially true if you havent done anything yet and don't have anyone to go to bat for you based on your performance.
I don't pretend to know how significant brown shoes are in the USN but I can recognize when a command is pissed the F off and looking for more people to crush; now might not be the time to stick your head out of the whackamole game that is the pool. This is especially true if you havent done anything yet and don't have anyone to go to bat for you based on your performance.
Personally, I think they should have gone the other way with this - MAKE everybody finally buy brown shoes. I don't think the prescribed shoes for inspection sends a really strong message either way, but if you're going to try to send a message with it, it seems it would be better to say, "You're part of a damn lucky group - act like you deserve it" than "No more brown shoe privileges because you're all a bunch of shitbags and you embarrass the community." Because while the latter may be true of a few people, it's certainly not of the vast majority.
And I like Phrog's idea.
And I like Phrog's idea.
This is just about all that needs to be said about the situation.