Corvette ZR1

[Redux]

Redux- Not necessarily true.

If you have EFI Live software you can modify just about any and all engine function parameters that your heart desires. You just need to have the ability to absorb a very steep software/performance learning curve and time to do it. I have a 2004 DMAX truck that I use that software on let's just way -The limits are based upon the specific person at the keyboard.

My 1972 Corvette Coupe that's literally screwdriver and wrench modified is a true sleeper. Seat of thepants fun factor also way high. It's all about how much time and money you desire to spend on your automotive pleasure.
(As philosophically opposed to Elliot Spitzer's fun factors of course) Although when I turn 65 I may see Elliot in a different light and drop the cars, who knows.

What you say is true BUT software isn't going to change that head gasket that most people especially computer geeks wouldn't know how to get to.

Now your 72 on the other hand outside of lower compression (which is good nowadays), non adjustable carb in stock form and a carbon canister is still a basic motor and frame that's doable for the masses with a little common sense AND it still looks "Classic Vette", not 1960 but certainly good enough. Imagine what could be done with it if you dumped half of what a new one cost. I guess that's my primary point, for less much nicer can be had.

Spitzer is a loser, he paid thousands for what a crackhead was getting free!

 

[Redux]

2005 SRT-10 QC (Viper V-10 8.3L) with a STS turbo and meth injection. I blew a piston and now it is in the last 2 weeks of rebuild with forged pistons. I will be putting about 730 ft lb's of TRQ at 9 psi to the ground without the meth and 600 RWHP. The vette will have a better power to weight ratio but you got to be able to get the power to the ground.

Sounds almost like a RR Merlin except a couple thousand lbs. lighter!

 

[Lawman]

Before I quit my job selling cars I got a chance to sit in, touch, and feel the new Challanger.

Mustang and Camaro are going to have their hands full. It just looks awesome.

 

[Single Seat]

That car is pure evil. I love it.

 

[Redux]

Before I quit my job selling cars I got a chance to sit in, touch, and feel the new Challanger.

Mustang and Camaro are going to have their hands full. It just looks awesome.

They did a good retro job on it, nice looking ride. Great idea by Ford IMO for starting it again. (retros)

 

[Rossi]

2005 SRT-10 QC (Viper V-10 8.3L) with a STS turbo and meth injection. I blew a piston and now it is in the last 2 weeks of rebuild with forged pistons. I will be putting about 730 ft lb's of TRQ at 9 psi to the ground without the meth and 600 RWHP. The vette will have a better power to weight ratio but you got to be able to get the power to the ground.

Awsome truck, and Water/Methanol injection must be sweet on something with that many Cubes. I definitely have an appreciation for a truck putting down numbers like that, but the only thing you would do to a capable ZR1 driver is suprise the crap out of him before he walks you. Anything can happen on the street though, and the ZR1 might be distracted by a random pedestrian's head exploding because of the sheer awsomeness of what he was watching.

 

[The_Commodore]

If I didn't want to do this Navy thing, I would probably say screw college and work in a plant like that. But not on Corvettes, I'm more of a four wheel drive guy myself.

 

[Flying Low]

Awsome truck, and Water/Methanol injection must be sweet on something with that many Cubes. I definitely have an appreciation for a truck putting down numbers like that, but the only thing you would do to a capable ZR1 driver is suprise the crap out of him before he walks you. Anything can happen on the street though, and the ZR1 might be distracted by a random pedestrian's head exploding because of the sheer awsomeness of what he was watching.

The driver mod is huge with large power vehicles. My best run on street tires was 12.4 @ 114 for the 1/4 mile. I'm hoping to get into the 11's with the engine rebuild. Here is a video of some of my runs pre turbo.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3731363933679992451&q=source:014880672126059659997&hl=en

 

[bunk22]

The driver mod is huge with large power vehicles. My best run on street tires was 12.4 @ 114 for the 1/4 mile. I'm hoping to get into the 11's with the engine rebuild. Here is a video of some of my runs pre turbo.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3731363933679992451&q=source:014880672126059659997&hl=en

Your best run pre turbo's is 12.4@114? So with turbo's you want 11's? Not bad for a big truck. Not enough for a competent driver of even a C6Z being a few have run low 11's and at least one high 10's, bone stock. If a ZR1 can hook, with a good driver, it's a mid 10 to low 10 sec car.

 

[bunk22]

Now your 72 on the other hand outside of lower compression (which is good nowadays), non adjustable carb in stock form and a carbon canister is still a basic motor and frame that's doable for the masses with a little common sense AND it still looks "Classic Vette", not 1960 but certainly good enough. Imagine what could be done with it if you dumped half of what a new one cost. I guess that's my primary point, for less much nicer can be had.

How do you mean much nicer can be had? You can't beat the modern cars in terms of performance, stock for stock. Want to mod? Well, anything can be modded, old, new, whatever. It's so easy to get 400rwhp, 500rwhp with modern cars that fly down the track. If it's about going fast on the cheap, then buy a go-cart and put an engine on it. Cheap doesn't equal better.

 

[Flying Low]

Your best run pre turbo's is 12.4@114? So with turbo's you want 11's? Not bad for a big truck. Not enough for a competent driver of even a C6Z being a few have run low 11's and at least one high 10's, bone stock. If a ZR1 can hook, with a good driver, it's a mid 10 to low 10 sec car.

My 12.4 was with the turbo. Best NA run was 12.7 @ 108 with low DA. Low 10's on street tires is hard. A few running low 11's to my possible high 11's really brings it down to the driver. What the vehicle is capable of and what it really does with an average driver are 2 different things. Once bad launch, mis shift, etc and anything can happen on the street. Motortrend says ZR-1 1/4 mile is 11.3. That is a whole second faster then me right now. With all my newest mods it will be a close race. But once you get into the tripple digits my truck really becomes a brick wall trying to push air around.

 

[Flying Low]

How do you mean much nicer can be had? You can't beat the modern cars in terms of performance, stock for stock. Want to mod? Well, anything can be modded, old, new, whatever. It's so easy to get 400rwhp, 500rwhp with modern cars that fly down the track. If it's about going fast on the cheap, then buy a go-cart and put an engine on it. Cheap doesn't equal better.

+1. Anything can be made to go fast. Plus people really get wrapped around the HP axle. TRQ is what really gets you going down the track.

 

[bunk22]

My 12.4 was with the turbo. Best NA run was 12.7 @ 108 with low DA. Low 10's on street tires is hard. A few running low 11's to my possible high 11's really brings it down to the driver. What the vehicle is capable of and what it really does with an average driver are 2 different things. Once bad launch, mis shift, etc and anything can happen on the street. Motortrend says ZR-1 1/4 mile is 11.3. That is a whole second faster then me right now. With all my newest mods it will be a close race. But once you get into the tripple digits my truck really becomes a brick wall trying to push air around.

GM claimed their C6Z was 11.7-.8@124 or so. Here's the bone stock list:

1----10.981 @ 128.90--1.77
2----11.138 @ 127.20--1.76
3----11.242 @ 122.38--1.68
4----11.311 @ 122.89--1.80
5----11.349 @ 124.97--1.75
6----11.392 @ 124.84--1.92
7----11.450 @ 125.92--1.88
8----11.458 @ 124.13--1.80
9----11.488 @ 123.86--1.80
10---11.545 @ 123.16--1.83
11---11.557 @ 126.68--1.95
12---11.560 @ 124.53--1.85
13---11.627 @ 121.67--1.83
14---11.638 @ 122.46--1.88
15---11.641 @ 120.71--1.78
16---11.695 @ 122.44--1.93
17---11.709 @ 121.41--1.86



I've got over 200 pases in my C6 so I agree, driver, track and conditions play a huge roll. A stock ZR1 will go 10's, more than once is my bet.

 

[Redux]

How do you mean much nicer can be had? You can't beat the modern cars in terms of performance, stock for stock. Want to mod? Well, anything can be modded, old, new, whatever. It's so easy to get 400rwhp, 500rwhp with modern cars that fly down the track. If it's about going fast on the cheap, then buy a go-cart and put an engine on it. Cheap doesn't equal better.

I guess nicer might be a more important priority by defining looks vs performance. they can both be made to sound great, Flowmasters and headers do a great job on almost anything. Yup, I'll agree you can wring more out of a modern mill with all the technocrap but they're lacking style compared to yesterday IMHO. Again, using a P51 vs. a F15 comparison, there is none at THIS time. A 69 Triumph Bonneville Vs. Rice burner du jour, which is the head turner?

Another angle is investment, "almost" everything on wheels depreciates until it gets some age on it and then the reverse happens. Something classic has already taken the hit and now may be worth 10X the initial investment. Hell, are you old enough to remember a Rambler or Falcon even they are worth considerably more then when new. The original Mini Cooper's would be another good example, they were almost free back in the day. Most nowadays things need to ride that same sine wave and it's going to be on the downswing most likely for the foreseeable future.

In some ways cheaper is better, to me anyway.

 

[bunk22]

I guess nicer might be a more important priority by defining looks vs performance. they can both be made to sound great, Flowmasters and headers do a great job on almost anything. Yup, I'll agree you can wring more out of a modern mill with all the technocrap but they're lacking style compared to yesterday IMHO. Again, using a P51 vs. a F15 comparison, there is none at THIS time. A 69 Triumph Bonneville Vs. Rice burner du jour, which is the head turner?

Another angle is investment, "almost" everything on wheels depreciates until it gets some age on it and then the reverse happens. Something classic has already taken the hit and now may be worth 10X the initial investment. Hell, are you old enough to remember a Rambler or Falcon even they are worth considerably more then when new. The original Mini Cooper's would be another good example, they were almost free back in the day. Most nowadays things need to ride that same sine wave and it's going to be on the downswing most likely for the foreseeable future.

In some ways cheaper is better, to me anyway.

Ah, so now you make it clear, you are offering an opinion along with some facts...such as depreciation. Luckily, most folks understand that buying a car usually is not an investment. To get a car down the track fast, usually takes money regardless. Though buying a car like the C6Z means with the right driver, right conditions and track, high 10's can be had without mods. The entry level price is where the money is spent. My old buds 69 Mach I was a thing of beauty but slow. He made it fast and nice looking. For the amount he spent, could have bought a new car or at least one slightly used. It's to each his own on how they want to get it done. Whether one prefers the lines of a P-51 to an F-15, we all know which one would get smoke if they had to compete.