I'd put it somewhere between the Lion's Club and the Elks.
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Stupid questions about Naval Aviation (Pt 2)
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I'd put it somewhere between the Lion's Club and the Elks.
No AC!!?? How uncivilized. That's a deal breaker in the USAF.
FutureFlyer72
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Idiot question here.
So if you fly T-34's, or 45's. That is the aircraft that you begin on correct? Then, eventually you will graduate to a F-18?
So if you fly T-34's, or 45's. That is the aircraft that you begin on correct? Then, eventually you will graduate to a F-18?
This is a stupid questions thread...but don't abuse it, man.
You go straight to F-19's. It will be in the pipeline by the time you hit the fleet anyway.
FutureFlyer72
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Yes, this is the stupid questions about naval aviation thread. And I'm not B.S.-ing you guys. I don't know anything about anything. So you begin on a T-34, then to a T-45. After that you graduate to a F-19? OUSOONER what do you mean by, "It will be in the pipeline by the time you hit the fleet anyway." I'm not familiar with NAVY terminology. I'm just some 16 year old punk, trying to get some information about the NAVY and about Naval Aviation. So you will most likely have to spell it out for me. Sorry. Thank you for your time.
No, nobody is going to spell it out for you. You are going to get a lecture about how you need initiative to get a commission (total cluelessness does not necessarily indicate complete lack of initiative).
Good on you, you tried to get other people to take the time to tell you everything. That takes initiative of some sort... You got rejected, and so now you take it to the next step: search function. If you cant keep up with what you learn in "Search" its time to hit the wiki on all things Naval Aviation.
When you have other questions that either a) haven't been asked in a long time or b) new-ish questions / variations on a theme, you'll find answers much more forthcoming.
Mods help those who help themselves... sort of thing.
FutureFlyer72
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Well sir, I assumed that people, such as yourself, would be able to tell me more reliable and credible information than that of which could be obtained by searching Wikipedia or Google. Why ask Google when I can come here and have my questions answered by people who are actually doing this for a living? Plus there is the added possibility to get help on how to follow my dreams. Plus, if I then had follow up questions I could ask those as well.
Thank you. I am finished for now. Sorry to waste your time.
Thank you. I am finished for now. Sorry to waste your time.
Oh, don't get so pissy, Francis. Fine, Wiki is unreliable. How about the official Chief of Naval Air Training website? Anything else we can Google for you?
This is how Navy pilot training breaks down (if you are interested in Marine Air, you will have to find your answers elsewhere):
API - 6 week ground school course; various classes on aviation related info (weather, aerodynamics, navigation, etc), as well as several water survival training events
Primary - First time you fly an airplane, either the T-34C (at Whiting and Corpus Christi) or the T-6 (at Vance AFB, with Whiting getting their first few right now). Takes about 5-6 months or more, and you generally get about 100 hours of flight time there.
Advanced - Here is where it becomes more complicated; you get to select your basic pipeline when you finish primary, based on how well you did, needs of the Navy, and what you want. Here is a breakdown of those individual pipelines:
Helos - TH-57's at South Whiting Field. Takes 6-8 months from what I have heard/seen. The -57 is basically a Bell Jet Ranger, with some differences from it's civilian counterpart.
Multiengine (P-3) or E-6 - Either the T-44 or the TC-12 in Corpus Christi. T-44 is the military equivalent of a King Air, and the C-12 is a Super King Air.....both are twin engine turboprop aircraft. Syllabus takes about 6 months. Navy students graduating from this program head off to fly P-3C, EP-3, or E-6 TACAMO.
E-6 (modified Boeing 707)- I only list this because there is a seperate selection for this aircraft coming out of primary. The training pipeline for this aircraft is in a point of transition, with some students going to Vance AFB to do advanced in the T-1, and some going to Corpus as listed above for advanced in props.
Tailhook - This pipeline has two stages, intermediate jet, and advanced strike. All are conducted in either the T-45A, T-45C or some combination of the two (in the case of Kingsville). The two locations are Meridian, MS or Kingsville, TX. You complete phase one, and then either continue on to phase 2 (advanced strike), or you select E2/C2 transition and do a shorter transition syllabus. For the E2/C2 selects, they go to Corpus to finish off their training (after getting carrier qualified in the T-45) in the T-44. The rest of the folks who stay for phase 2 remain in the T-45 until they get their wings, and do all the strike syllabus stuff. The E2/C2 folks will go on to fly the Hawkeye or Greyhound (to be decided at the E2/C2 FRS), and the advanced strike folks will fly either the F/A-18A/C, F/A-18E/F, EA-6B, or EA-18G once they get their wings.
Hope that helps, I understand that it is a little difficult to get good info on the web, though I think a lot of this info is listed in places on this forum. Anyway, good luck to you!
API - 6 week ground school course; various classes on aviation related info (weather, aerodynamics, navigation, etc), as well as several water survival training events
Primary - First time you fly an airplane, either the T-34C (at Whiting and Corpus Christi) or the T-6 (at Vance AFB, with Whiting getting their first few right now). Takes about 5-6 months or more, and you generally get about 100 hours of flight time there.
Advanced - Here is where it becomes more complicated; you get to select your basic pipeline when you finish primary, based on how well you did, needs of the Navy, and what you want. Here is a breakdown of those individual pipelines:
Helos - TH-57's at South Whiting Field. Takes 6-8 months from what I have heard/seen. The -57 is basically a Bell Jet Ranger, with some differences from it's civilian counterpart.
Multiengine (P-3) or E-6 - Either the T-44 or the TC-12 in Corpus Christi. T-44 is the military equivalent of a King Air, and the C-12 is a Super King Air.....both are twin engine turboprop aircraft. Syllabus takes about 6 months. Navy students graduating from this program head off to fly P-3C, EP-3, or E-6 TACAMO.
E-6 (modified Boeing 707)- I only list this because there is a seperate selection for this aircraft coming out of primary. The training pipeline for this aircraft is in a point of transition, with some students going to Vance AFB to do advanced in the T-1, and some going to Corpus as listed above for advanced in props.
Tailhook - This pipeline has two stages, intermediate jet, and advanced strike. All are conducted in either the T-45A, T-45C or some combination of the two (in the case of Kingsville). The two locations are Meridian, MS or Kingsville, TX. You complete phase one, and then either continue on to phase 2 (advanced strike), or you select E2/C2 transition and do a shorter transition syllabus. For the E2/C2 selects, they go to Corpus to finish off their training (after getting carrier qualified in the T-45) in the T-44. The rest of the folks who stay for phase 2 remain in the T-45 until they get their wings, and do all the strike syllabus stuff. The E2/C2 folks will go on to fly the Hawkeye or Greyhound (to be decided at the E2/C2 FRS), and the advanced strike folks will fly either the F/A-18A/C, F/A-18E/F, EA-6B, or EA-18G once they get their wings.
Hope that helps, I understand that it is a little difficult to get good info on the web, though I think a lot of this info is listed in places on this forum. Anyway, good luck to you!
Midnjac
Great post! +1. I was winged over 50 years ago, gasp, cough, creak..etc.
I have wondered since joining AW, just how is flight training done nowadays. Your post cleared it up beautifully! Well done.
BTW, how many of y'all NAs were winged prior to 07/03/58, or am I the "Grey Eagle" AirWarrior???:sleep_125
BzB
Great post! +1. I was winged over 50 years ago, gasp, cough, creak..etc.
I have wondered since joining AW, just how is flight training done nowadays. Your post cleared it up beautifully! Well done.
BTW, how many of y'all NAs were winged prior to 07/03/58, or am I the "Grey Eagle" AirWarrior???:sleep_125
BzB
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