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World's Scariest Runways...
- Thread starter Mumbles
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Betcha some of these show up...
http://www.airwarriors.com/forum/showthread.php?t=139180&highlight=approaches
http://www.airwarriors.com/forum/showthread.php?t=139180&highlight=approaches
What about Kodiak, AK and Gitmo (although, you no longer have to do the fence line approach).
I've flown into two of the list: Reagan National (not that big a deal) and St. Maarten. St. Maarten wasn't that harrowing for our plane, but I was a brand-new copilot landing at night after an 11 hour LE flight chasing a go-fast...I pranged it in after not flaring at all. Taking off was wild the next morning as we did our run up next to the fence on the approach end... the closest I've seen a crowd of civilians while in the cockpit.
And the per diem was good.
I've flown into two of the list: Reagan National (not that big a deal) and St. Maarten. St. Maarten wasn't that harrowing for our plane, but I was a brand-new copilot landing at night after an 11 hour LE flight chasing a go-fast...I pranged it in after not flaring at all. Taking off was wild the next morning as we did our run up next to the fence on the approach end... the closest I've seen a crowd of civilians while in the cockpit.
And the per diem was good.
CVN-(insert any boat here), at night to minimums.
I don't agree with them putting JFK's 13L in the "Top 10". If anything, LGA is the most dangerous airport in the NY metro area...
True that. JFK's 10000' runways are a joke in comparison to LGA. I could be wrong, but as far as dangerous goes, I could of sworn I read that Teterboro has the highest mishap rate but I couldn't find anything to back that up online.
USS "Widowmaker" Enterprise with 40kt natural winds. You don't even have to be at night to mins.
Or better yet perfectly VFR day above the fog bank in the middle of the Adriatic with the controller calling every move backwards on the PAR so when you turn on your landing light for the LSO to talk you down you end up LURIM, get a glimpse of the deck and loose it again right before hitting the deck.
I'm sure just one of many stories that any real tailhooker has seen compared to a 7-13K runway that doesn't move.
Case closed.
Or better yet perfectly VFR day above the fog bank in the middle of the Adriatic with the controller calling every move backwards on the PAR so when you turn on your landing light for the LSO to talk you down you end up LURIM, get a glimpse of the deck and loose it again right before hitting the deck.
I'm sure just one of many stories that any real tailhooker has seen compared to a 7-13K runway that doesn't move.
Case closed.
Not quite closed.
Having done both, I don't minimize the degree of difficulty in getting 630,000# of metal, fuel & people onto a wet runway @ night w/ a turn to final under 500' compounded by an overshooting crosswind ... compliments of the typhoon that just chased you all the way down the Taiwan Strait ... but hey, everyone's done those, right???
Not trying to sound like Sky King, but until you've done 'em both -- there's really not much of a basis for comparison ...
Camp Rhino, Afghanistan.
You can walk across the "runway" without even knowing it, since it looks like barely more than 2 tire tracks in the dirt. Talcum-powder sand makes it 0/0 as soon as rotor/propwash hits it.
You can walk across the "runway" without even knowing it, since it looks like barely more than 2 tire tracks in the dirt. Talcum-powder sand makes it 0/0 as soon as rotor/propwash hits it.
I was amazed, that shit is like baby powder. You could literally duct tape, caulk, glue, weld, etc. a box of whatever together, and that crap would find it's way in.
Never liked NALF San Clemente at night in the marine layer for CCA's,
Burbank for short runways and 'godawful' Van Nuys traffic interfering on approach,
Orange County for similar reasons,
LGA for similar reasons,
Mexico City for many personal reasons,
Durango in a snow storm,
and any USS-boat-in-a-turn, night approach.
Saw some Kai Tak's too, but never had to do one… thankfully! My daughter who flies bizjets says the ski-areas are no fun either with their terrain, wx, and difficult approaches and MA's.
And of course, some of the most difficult approaches ever, occur some later time after you hear, "99 Delta" or "cancel approach clearance, airport is closed UFN."
Regardless, even the best runway in the world can be hell when the weather is brutally bad, you're dog-tired, and nothing seems to be going right that day. Then the best advice is, just DFIU!
Burbank for short runways and 'godawful' Van Nuys traffic interfering on approach,
Orange County for similar reasons,
LGA for similar reasons,
Mexico City for many personal reasons,
Durango in a snow storm,
and any USS-boat-in-a-turn, night approach.
Saw some Kai Tak's too, but never had to do one… thankfully! My daughter who flies bizjets says the ski-areas are no fun either with their terrain, wx, and difficult approaches and MA's.
And of course, some of the most difficult approaches ever, occur some later time after you hear, "99 Delta" or "cancel approach clearance, airport is closed UFN."
Regardless, even the best runway in the world can be hell when the weather is brutally bad, you're dog-tired, and nothing seems to be going right that day. Then the best advice is, just DFIU!
phrogpilot73
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You're kidding, right? I thought Haditha Dam was a piece of cake (unless it was a VIP hop to Baghdad and you had an assload of gas on board, then it was pretty sporty). Actually, I think that CSH S is a bit sportier than Haditha Dam, at least you have waveoff options at the Dam.