Woman + Subs

[Spekkio]

Now take a male and a female with large breasts trying to pass each other going in different directions.

So the sub community will solve this by having B cups or less as a pre-requisite. When they start having to "draft" females into it to meet manning requirements, they'll offer free breast reductions.

As for the males with large breasts, the sub community will introduce submariners to the revolutionary idea of exercising and sports instead of playing WoW.

I kid.

Because there's porn taped up in plain site if they were to walk through berthings...because I can pretty much open my mouth and say anything I want without fear of reproach when I'm on the boat. Because turning a corner and seeing someone reenacting their last conquest is not an uncommon experience.

Just to play Devil's Advocate, how do you know that TMSN Smith isn't a born again Christian who's too afraid of what TM2 Jones will do to him if he protests his open display of porn?

I agree with you that sub culture isn't for the faint of heart and some adjustments will have to be made to accommodate the permanent presence of females. However, there just might be a male junior Sailor or two who are similarly upset by such things.

 

[EM1]

So the sub community will solve this by having B cups or less as a pre-requisite. When they start having to "draft" females into it to meet manning requirements, they'll offer free breast reductions.

I kid.

Nice

And if you've been on a boomer underway, recognize that life on a fast boat underway is MUCH different.

They aren't talking about integrating fast boats as of yet, and I honestly don't see it happening without a redesign as niether an LA or Virginia class is as easily modified for females as an Ohio class is.

Keep in mind our Ohio class submarines were orignially designed for a coed crew. And they intend to modify them further to make them even more acomidating.

I don't see this being as big of deal as some want to make it out to be. It will be an adjustment, but as a good friend told me "we already have ET's on board, so what's the difference?"

 

[BigRed389]

That's some crap. We could never smoke on the NR-1 when we were on missions, but that was kind of a special thing I justified like they probably can't smoke on the space shuttle either. The whole sub force though? That will go over well. Women I can handle, no smoking though, that might be another story...

Off Topic: Never "met" anybody who'd ever served on NR-1 before...was that a pretty specialized sub-community or did you get to go there like any other boat?

Subs with wheels are cool.

 

[EM1]

When it was around, you had to send in a package to NR, and they would screen it and invite you up if they wanted to give you a shot (the perminant crew members had to interview with the Admiral since we all qualified EOOW there). Pretty much everyone made chief while they were there (except the one's who decided to drop STA-21 packages...) and I think there were 15 PCMs there when I checked out. There were also 8 or so temporary crew members on board who reported there right after prototype for about a 1 year tour before moving to one of the fast boats in Groton for their perminant assignment. The TCMs were there mainly to supplement the inport watchbill and perform the smaller maintenance items we trusted them to do. When we went out, they would ride the support ship while most of the PCMs were on the little boat.

Some of the coolest shit I've ever done I did there. Some of the hardest work I've ever done I did there.

My tagline was my unofficial NR-1 motto.

Perhaps even this will one day be pleasant to look back on. After three years, I think I'm about there.

Are you a SWO Nuke?

 

[Cleonard19]

Nice


They aren't talking about integrating fast boats as of yet, and I honestly don't see it happening without a redesign as niether an LA or Virginia class is as easily modified for females as an Ohio class is.

Keep in mind our Ohio class submarines were orignially designed for a coed crew. And they intend to modify them further to make them even more acomidating.

I don't see this being as big of deal as some want to make it out to be. It will be an adjustment, but as a good friend told me "we already have ET's on board, so what's the difference?"

Egregious spelling aside, this is what I have such an issue with. I'm on the Pasadena. We had the first female to get fish ride our boat for 2 years. The solution was a paper laminated sign that said men on one side, and women on the other. Worked out just fine. If you want to be on subs, and advocate equality between the sexes, deal with the fact that the person in the rack above you may not be carrying the same equipment as you. And don't be too lazy to hang a sign when you use the head.

Is the sign convenient? No. But neither is spending millions of dollars to overhaul the interior of a submarine (which would require yard time meaning another boat just picked up at least part of her scheduled deployment that she's missing), or to permanently lose one head and one shower to the 125 other members of the crew because there's three females on board.

I'm tired of this "We want to be equal but treated different" bullshit. You want to be on a sub? Fine. Here's your rack, there's the sign for the head. Get hot!

 

[EM1]

I'd look over the proposed plans. The modifications are planned during regular scheduled overhaul periods, which God knows can't be avoided.

I'm tired of this "We want to be equal but treated different" bullshit. You want to be on a sub? Fine. Here's your rack, there's the sign for the head. Get hot!

And as far as equality between the sexes (or the model that many other countries follow in their integrated sub plans where women berth in the same areas as the men), that's a ways off. Americans are not ready as a society to deal with that, and those attitudes reflect in how our ships are designed and in how the Navy integrates its ships. Right or wrong, it's simply the way it is.

Its also worth noting I think that this isn't a push by women necessarily (sp), most of the pressure has come from within the Navy at some of the highest (and most male dominated) areas. This includes ship alt plans. I have yet to see any plans come from a female at this point.

The adaptable submariners will realize that these integration plans (along with the proposed smoking bans...ugh) will come no matter what we do. You can adapt, and I think most will, or get out, as I'm sure a few will there too. At the end of the day we have to realize who we answer to here. We're not in some exclusive boys club, we're sailors in an almost completely integrated Navy who ultimately answer to our elected representitives just like everyone else. I don't know how else to put it.

 

[boobcheese]

... please keep in mind that if you haven't spent time on a submarine underway, its not fair for you to speculate on what its like. And if you've been on a boomer underway, recognize that life on a fast boat underway is MUCH different. Every so often people come onto this board, and step out of line, and speak to things aviation related that they neither rate to speak on nor have the experience to speak about. And they get their pee-pee's smacked, as well as they should. However, don't be that guy that does the pee-pee smacking when someone crosses that line on an aviation topic but then comes into this thread and think that just because you've served with women aboard a ship or in a squadron that you have even the vaguest idea of what it'll be like on a submarine...

You come off pretty salty for someone who reported to their first boat ~3mo ago.

 

[60flyer]

60, this isn't for you, but more of just a general statement. But please keep in mind that if you haven't spent time on a submarine underway, its not fair for you to speculate on what its like. And if you've been on a boomer underway, recognize that life on a fast boat underway is MUCH different. Every so often people come onto this board, and step out of line, and speak to things aviation related that they neither rate to speak on nor have the experience to speak about. And they get their pee-pee's smacked, as well as they should. However, don't be that guy that does the pee-pee smacking when someone crosses that line on an aviation topic but then comes into this thread and think that just because you've served with women aboard a ship or in a squadron that you have even the vaguest idea of what it'll be like on a submarine.

Have you ever flown in a plane for hours on end with females? If not, then how do you KNOW that's it's SO different?

I'm tired of this "We want to be equal but treated different" bullshit. You want to be on a sub? Fine. Here's your rack, there's the sign for the head. Get hot!

Get a grip there Cleonard, nobody on here was fighting with you. Perhaps someone needs a little release after being on a sub too long?!?!?

 

[A4sForever]

Have you ever flown in a plane for hours on end with females?.... how do you KNOW that's it's SO different? ...

I have; it is ... trust me on this one.

 

[60flyer]

I have; it is ... trust me on this one.

Done. But I'm still curious. I just wanted to know why having a female on board was SUCH A BIG DEAL....

 

[scoolbubba]

Done. But I'm still curious. I just wanted to know why having a female on board was SUCH A BIG DEAL....

It's not, but it is different.

 

[bubblehead]

you come off pretty salty for someone who reported to their first boat ~3mo ago.

lmfao!!

 

[bubblehead]

To let the crew know to be more careful when changing in berthing spaces or using the head (ie, shut the hatches), and that they probably shouldn't use the opportunity to tell some of their more colorful jokes.

Or to simply be mindful of the way that we interact with one another.

This happened to two of my friends when we were in port many moons ago. One friend was in the sail, in a not-so-comfortable area, doing maintenance. The other friend was in the control room, helping him.

There was also a female shipyard worker in another part of the sail, unbeknownst to my firend in the control room, because he did not hear the 1MC annoucement prior to the female's arrival.

My friend in the sail was unusually bitchy that day (it was hot outside - Hawaii - and the inside of the sail was hot) and my friend in the control room was becoming irritated with and, at one point, yelled up the control room sail hatch, "STOP BEING A F*****G B***H."

The female shipyard worker made her way down the sail into the control room. You can guess how well that worked out.

I'm sure we'll be waiting a long time before we hear from senior SUBFOR leadership about the new "policy."

 

[HAL Pilot]

Done. But I'm still curious. I just wanted to know why having a female on board was SUCH A BIG DEAL....

Because I have never wanted one of the guys on board to give me a blow job.....:icon_smil

 

[60flyer]

Or to simply be mindful of the way that we interact with one another.

This happened to two of my friends when we were in port many moons ago. One friend was in the sail, in a not-so-comfortable area, doing maintenance. The other friend was in the control room, helping him.

There was also a female shipyard worker in another part of the sail, unbeknownst to my firend in the control room, because he did not hear the 1MC annoucement prior to the female's arrival.

My friend in the sail was unusually bitchy that day (it was hot outside - Hawaii - and the inside of the sail was hot) and my friend in the control room was becoming irritated with and, at one point, yelled up the control room sail hatch, "STOP BEING A F*****G B***H."

The female shipyard worker made her way down the sail into the control room. You can guess how well that worked out.

I'm sure we'll be waiting a long time before we hear from senior SUBFOR leadership about the new "policy."

OK, but not behaving that way should be the standard in any workplace. Well all know it happens, but you just watch when and where you say it.

Because I have never wanted one of the guys on board to give me a blow job.....:icon_smil

Thank goodness for that!! But that's no different than any other area of the military...