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Who flies the Buckeye?

zab1001

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why is it that anytime someone brings up IFR stuff, somebody has to point out how hard it is with an NDB?

NEWSFLASH: If you're flying IFR with only an NDB, you're a fvcking moron.

Right...especially if the NDB is the only approach available...
 

wink

War Hoover NFO.
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Right...especially if the NDB is the only approach available...

Spoken by a man that has been in and out of a few third work countries. Every airline I know of still trains it pilots to fly NDBs. And they expect them to do a damn fine job of it if it means getting into some third world airport where the "advertise" a VOR (again, non precision) approach and radar, but they are down 8 months out of the year. I am sure th lilitary bases in the war zones of Iraq nd Afganistan have better terminal navaids then most third world airports US airlines fly into every day.
 

squeeze

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And yes, NDB approaches are easy, but why does someone always have to come back with some "there I was in my 172, flying an NDB approach" in every IFR-related thread?

And this is why they have GPS/INS.
 

nittany03

Recovering NFO. Herder of Programmers.
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And thank you United States Navy for being way behind the times in regards to GPS IFR navigation.

Never thought I'd miss the old Turbo-weenie in advanced, but man, that GPS was money . . .

They're going to have to catch up sooner or later. Ever notice the funny blue lines appearing on your IFR High and Low charts?? :eek:
 

Punk

Sky Pig Wrangler
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And thank you United States Navy for being way behind the times in regards to GPS IFR navigation.

no kidding

grandpa in his 1970's 172 that's worth $35k went out and bought himself an IFR certified GPS

but us flying around in our $40 million jets don't have one

our bombs that make one-way trips have a better receiver than our aircraft do :p
 

Gatordev

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But does your grandpa's GPS units have crypto attached? Will it be able to pull 10 g's or take repeated "crash" landings to a flight deck? Can it operate in 130+ and -20 degree weather? I understand your guys' point, but keep in mind that it might not always be sunshine and lollypops. If there's a need, they'll turn the encryption back on to keep the bad guys from using it.
 

TurnandBurn55

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no kidding

grandpa in his 1970's 172 that's worth $35k went out and bought himself an IFR certified GPS

but us flying around in our $40 million jets don't have one

our bombs that make one-way trips have a better receiver than our aircraft do :p

Pshh... I have yet to hear an intelligent reason why the T-6 GPS was IFR certified but the Rhino's ultra-gucci GPS/INS/moving-map is not. There's no reason we can't navigate off that.
 

Punk

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But does your grandpa's GPS units have crypto attached? Will it be able to pull 10 g's or take repeated "crash" landings to a flight deck? Can it operate in 130+ and -20 degree weather? I understand your guys' point, but keep in mind that it might not always be sunshine and lollypops. If there's a need, they'll turn the encryption back on to keep the bad guys from using it.

I also understand your point. However, every other piece of avionics we have in our aircraft can already do that, I can't imagine making a "tougher" IFR certified GPS receiver would be that much more difficult.
 

squeeze

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I also understand your point. However, every other piece of avionics we have in our aircraft can already do that, I can't imagine making a "tougher" IFR certified GPS receiver would be that much more difficult.

GPS devices are almost all solid-state... they care little about shock and perform fine in temperature extremes. Even my hand held Garmin is rated for 6g's and temps from 5-158F and that thing was only $200 ish.

The military seems to have this real aversion to utilizing GPS to the utmost of it's abilities.
 

Brett327

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I also understand your point. However, every other piece of avionics we have in our aircraft can already do that, I can't imagine making a "tougher" IFR certified GPS receiver would be that much more difficult.
I can't speak for the Hornet system, but the reason the Prowler GPS is not IFR certified (which really only means you can't shoot a GPS approach, BFD) is because the end-user has the ability to modify the DAFIF defined waypoints. Can someone explain to me why having an IFR certified GPS is so important? What have I been missing out on all these years?:D

Brett
 

nittany03

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The military seems to have this real aversion to utilizing GPS to the utmost of it's abilities.
Yay AirNavs . . . I'm sure if I had a IFR - certified GPS in the T-45 it would just be the first thing the instructor would fail . . . :icon_tong
 

ip568

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T-1a

In VT-10 we flew the T-1A, the Navy's version of the T-33. It was fun but it showed me enough of tacair to help me decide to go VP when my VAH slot was taken away.

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