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V-22 Chosen to be the new COD
- Thread starter lowflier03
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It does. It's very noticeable when you lose it landing to a spot. It's there but not as noticeable when taking off, probably due to the angle of disks while transitioning to forward flight.
Haha, push it. It just allows them to stay in ground effect longer, thus using power to move forward rather than hover.
At a certain point (translational lift) the power required to fly is less because you have sufficient forward airspeed generating some of your lift for you. A deck run let's you reach that airspeed while using less power because you stayed in ground effect.
At a certain point (translational lift) the power required to fly is less because you have sufficient forward airspeed generating some of your lift for you. A deck run let's you reach that airspeed while using less power because you stayed in ground effect.
Don't be fooled. The COD can't takeoff with 10K of cargo from the CVN in any conditions (Max in the 8K range, distance & ambient have a vote too). The COD is impacted pretty hard by high temps from land. I have been limited to only 3,000 lbs of capacity in Bahrain even with light loading fuel. Range of the V-22 would be my biggest concern as a COD replacement. I've talked with some 22 guys and the range/cargo difference isn't massive, but it will have an impact.
In my opinion, the carrier will have to accept that their logistics train will have to change, and COD guys will have to adjust. Fastest way to change this from a transition to a sundown for the COD community is to throw up roadblocks and bring emotion into it.
So... standby for COD sundown?
Don't they teach you this stuff in your nerd school?
An article I read said 50NM range for the V-22 with a "full payload." I thought that has to be wrong. Pretty funny misprint.
Don't they teach you this stuff in your nerd school?
Ha! To the RW guys yes, but not us FW types. Besides, I need room on the iceberg for things like longitudinal stability and performance.
In rotary wing flight from a ship, 3 things happen in quick sequence. At 10-20 knots, you will get translational lift - basically a reduction in induced flow - which reduces power required (you will also get less turbulent air into the tail rotor improving efficiency and reducing power further). However as you move from HIGE (hover in ground effect - basically skid height) to HOGE (hover out ground effect - generally 1.25 rotor diameter), power required increases substantially. The trick is to accelerate to approximately 70 knots (minimum power required aka bucket airspeed) as soon as possible. If you are at the very limits of power, you may see an American helicopter turn right (reduced power on tail rotor), a European helicopter turn left (same thing but their rotors turn in the opposite direction) and a tandem rotor (Boeing) kick the tail 15 deg out to the left so the advancing blade on the aft rotor system gets clean air. Short story - a little airspeed makes a big difference. How much of this applies to the V-22, of that I am not sure.
From the Hook brief on from OPNAV, regarding the Navy CODsprey:
-Bigger tanks for 1150nm unrefueled range
-RORO Cargo System for Palletized Cargo
-MWS
-Enhanced BLOS Comms
-Training w/ USMC
-Deliveries in 2020
-3 Bird Dets
Also, and you knew this was coming, they have it listed as multimission covering CSAR and Tanking.
-Bigger tanks for 1150nm unrefueled range
-RORO Cargo System for Palletized Cargo
-MWS
-Enhanced BLOS Comms
-Training w/ USMC
-Deliveries in 2020
-3 Bird Dets
Also, and you knew this was coming, they have it listed as multimission covering CSAR and Tanking.
It will be interesting to see how they implement "tactics" into the COD community, especially wrt the enlisted guys. Let face it, the COD aircrew aren't very "tactical"...they didn't even go to SAR school.
In addition to the pilot side, this transition has some far reaching implications regarding the enlisted aircrew manning and training.
In addition to the pilot side, this transition has some far reaching implications regarding the enlisted aircrew manning and training.
^So I know that the CSAR and tanking may be listed as a capability and the platform may be more capable than current platforms, the question of capacity will come up. Can you handle a CSAR vul and the supply requirements for the CSG @ the same time with 3 X a/c? My guess is you can have one or the other.
If you look at this from the other side, the HSC squadrons that are being dis-established are very tactical. Instead of thinking of this as COD that can do CSAR, it would me more appropriate to think of this as a CSAR asset that can do COD - especially in light of training with USMC (think not only the RAG but that the V-22 also goes to WTI.)
Well, the HSC community already views themselves as a CSAR asset that can do starboard D, so that shouldn't be too far of a stretch.
Still doesn't shed any light on how they're gonna man and train the enlisted guys. Anybody know if the -22 has an overwater SAR capability? I know they have a hoist on the ramp, but nothing about their rotorwash.
Do you man it with AWS/Rs as a COD platform? That's an expensive loadmaster.
I'm not sure what you mean by the disestablishment of any HSC squadrons either. Last I heard, only -84 is going away right now and there's plenty of room for their AD people back in the fleet.
Still doesn't shed any light on how they're gonna man and train the enlisted guys. Anybody know if the -22 has an overwater SAR capability? I know they have a hoist on the ramp, but nothing about their rotorwash.
Do you man it with AWS/Rs as a COD platform? That's an expensive loadmaster.
I'm not sure what you mean by the disestablishment of any HSC squadrons either. Last I heard, only -84 is going away right now and there's plenty of room for their AD people back in the fleet.