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V-22 Chosen to be the new COD

"The Brick"

The Brick
pilot
It's typically done from spot four to the bow on an LHD....very anti-climatic when you see it for the first time. Nothing that can't be done on the angled deck portion of a CVN...
 

DocT

Dean of Students
pilot
STO or RTO (short take-off/rolling take-offs) are the preferred take off method for the plopter. The standards are 60 or 75 STO named for the degree at which your nacelles are positioned. The one you're referring to is the 75. Even at high gross weights you're off deck in a few hundred feet as you get to full power.

The plopter can do normal helo style max gross take offs from a HIGE too. The STO takes a lot less runway.
 

busdriver

Well-Known Member
None
I assume the STO profiles take advantage of blown flap characteristics, how does it handle short rolling landings?
 

DocT

Dean of Students
pilot
The flaps stay in AUTO for both STOs and running landings. There's very few situations where the pilots actually need to manipulate the flaps.

The aircraft does well with run on landings. Roll out obviously depends on weight and ambient conditions. The aircraft actually calculates the numbers for nacelle angle and airspeed at touchdown real time. It's really pretty amazing.
 

SynixMan

HKG Based Artificial Excrement Pilot
pilot
Contributor
So can a helo but we can't do running takeoffs/landings on the boat.

What? Since when? I did max GW or deck runs regularly up the angle or off spot 2.

Landings, sure, not every day, but when is landing a helo running useful except if you've dumped an engine?
 

Pags

N/A
pilot
So can a helo but we can't do running takeoffs/landings on the boat.
V-22 STOs are explicitly authorized for the LHD and I can't imagine it'd be different in the CV. As DocT pointed out, it's the preferred takeoff for loaded 22s. On the gator you'd put the first one on spot 4 and then the others packed in behind the first. Once -1 launched the next a/c would taxi up to spot 4 and launch. No hover landings are also covered LHD NATOPS.

Prior to the 22s other helos, especially phrogs, would do deck runs (max GW takeoff to the 60 guys) if heavily loaded. Except the shitters. No deck runs for the shitters.
 

xj220

Will fly for food.
pilot
Contributor
For us FW guys, what do deck runs really buy? In that clip it's pretty short and seems like any gains would be negligible.
 

Pags

N/A
pilot
For us FW guys, what do deck runs really buy? In that clip it's pretty short and seems like any gains would be negligible.
Reduced power required to takeoff. Staying over the deck vice sliding over the water keeps power required lower. This coupled with wind over the deck lowers the power requirements until you hit what's called translational lift Nd power required is reduced further.
 

Hotdogs

I don’t care if I hurt your feelings
pilot
For us FW guys, what do deck runs really buy? In that clip it's pretty short and seems like any gains would be negligible.

Not a T/R guy, but winds over a rotor system will reduce Pr and torque requirement to get an aircraft off of the deck. Anytime a rotor system goes translational it will in essence preform much like a FW airfoil. I would garner to say that with the wings of an Osprey combined with the increased airflow over the rotor disk, forward movement of the ship, that there are probably substantial benefits. I'm not sure if an Osprey can get translational though, so I am at the limits of my knowledge.
 

insanebikerboy

Internet killed the television star
pilot
None
Contributor
For us FW guys, what do deck runs really buy? In that clip it's pretty short and seems like any gains would be negligible.

As little as a hundred feet or so on a running takeoff can make a huge difference in the power required to get into forward flight in a helo.

Just press the I believe button. Unicorns designed helicopters because they only fly by pure fucking magic.
 
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