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The Warrants have arrived

Flying Low

Flying Low

Yea sure or Yes Sir?
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alwyn2nd said:
The civilian applicant could put in 20 years of flying until retirement where as the pilot with 6 years of enlisted experience could only do 14 years of flying before retirement. You are replacing a pilot every 20 years vs 14 years. Less new pilots required and their primary duty as a Warrant is flying only throughout their career.
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So I have to replace a civilian applicant every 20 years and a Warrant every 14. If I have to replace the warrant 6 years earlier then that would increase training cost. At 14 years the Warrant has to be replaced but the civilian keeps flying. So how is that cheaper? Also did you factor the number of people who don't go a full 20 years?

You still haven't address the youth argument.
 
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steeleshark2

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Vice Adm. John C. Harvey said “The CWO program is intended to create flying specialists unencumbered by the traditional career paths of the unrestricted line (URL) community.” URL junior officers who are already in targeted communities will benefit from an improved chance of selection as a department head and commanding officer. Historically, junior officers have overpopulated these communities to the extent competition for promotion is keenly fierce, leaving many highly qualified officers with limited career opportunities. Placing CWOs in cockpits is the first of many future Total Force Readiness innovations aimed at increasing opportunity and diversity while maximizing personnel efficiency and productivity.
“One of the key objectives of this program is to expand career opportunities for our officer and enlisted sailors through training, career development and promotion,” said Rear Adm. Bill Shannon, the NAE’s Total Force Readiness director. “This is not only the right thing to do; it also enhances our readiness and ability to compete for and retain the best talent in the marketplace today and in the future.”

One other thing said was selectees will not be eligible for department head (DH) tours and will fill junior officer (JO) billets only. Officially, nothing was said about saving money. I could see some money being saved from education costs though. How much does it cost the navy to send one person through the academy or pay their college off? The warrants already have the degree money spent if they stay enlisted or go officer. Otherwise, I believe savings are negligable and depends on time of service for the sailors. Thats just my 2 cents.
 
Brett327

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alwyn2nd said:
Time will tell. But if I mentioned several years ago the Navy would institute a Flying Warrant program like the Army, you would say get lost. What do you guys have against the Army's Warrant pilot program anyway?

Your Flag officers like what they saw in the Army's program and didn't ask for JO's input or opinion. Just get with the program, you just may like it. Besides, you have no choice.

Your Flag officers know what's best for Naval Aviation, they're tail hookers aren't they?
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Wow, you're just full of outrageous statements, aren't you. Everything you've said in your last three posts is utter non-sense. Not only do you lack an understanding of the facts WRT the Navy's flying CWO program, but the assertions you've made bear no resemblance to reality and are completely ridiculous. Is this an exercise in self-flagellation for you, or are you just insane?

Brett
 
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phrogpilot73

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I've held off on responding to this, because I think he's a troll. I also believe that he needs to show us some credentials before he makes blanket statments about Naval Aviation, since we all have credibility that we have worked very hard to establish. Here's my answers:

Your age argument is bullshit. If younger meant better, than lower flight hours would make a better pilot (because it takes years to build flight hours). According to your logic, an 18 year old Private Pilot with 100 flight hours would make a better airline pilot than someone with more flight hours. As it stands, you need THOUSANDS of flight hours to be an airline pilot. Why? EXPERIENCE. So, reflexes don't mean shit if you've got the experience to predict what's going to happen in the future (a.k.a. be ahead of the aircraft).

Money argument is bullshit. Flight training will cost the same. Fuel and maintenance will cost the same. Yes, there's a discrepancy in how much pay a CWO gets over an O, but you're still going to be paying the comissioned officer. The CWO's were already on active duty (already getting paid), and the O's are already on active duty. You're simply re-assigning personnel to cover shortfalls. That's it.

The Navy program has NOTHING to do with the Army program. The Army does it because they have 10 billion aircraft (not really), and they fight their platforms differently. They organize their units as Platoons, Companies, Battalions, etc... We organize ours as squadrons. It's a different mindset. You don't know how the Army trains and fights, nor do you know how the Navy, USMC, Air Force, or Coast Guard trains and fights. You may know how "Magic the Gathering", "Pokemon", or perhaps "Powerpuff Girls" trains and fights - but until you've got the credentials to back up your over-arching, bullshit, ignorant statments - shut the fuck up.

What kind of credentials am I talking about? Wings. Deployments. Operational Experience. Air Medals. Combat Action Ribbons. Flight Hours. Combat Flight Hours. Landings on a Ship. Do you have any of this?!? Everyone else who's weighed in has at least one of those, some have all of them (myself included). What say ye, troll?
 
bunk22

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alwyn2nd said:
The civilian applicant could put in 20 years of flying until retirement where as the pilot with 6 years of enlisted experience could only do 14 years of flying before retirement. You are replacing a pilot every 20 years vs 14 years. Less new pilots required and their primary duty as a Warrant is flying only throughout their career.

Win, win situation for the Navy. More leadership opportunities for the URLs and more flying experience by the Warrants. Just less flying time for the URLs that's all. How much less, time will tell.
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I really don't have to respond to this, now do I NTAC? Others already have. From here on out, I will refer to alwyn2nd as NTAC.....congrats on your new callsign. Usually, most guys have to be an aviator or even on their way to being one. You're nowhere close but you've got a nice little moniker. Good job. It was tough, other names that came to mind were "coco the monkey" and "ass cheese". Names very much fitting of someone who thinks they know it all while in reality, they know exactly jack shit, have no experience, no credibility.
 
insanebikerboy

insanebikerboy

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I think I'll be here awhile watching for trolls... :D

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robav8r

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phrogpilot73 said:
You may know how "Magic the Gathering", "Pokemon", or perhaps "Powerpuff Girls" trains and fights - but until you've got the credentials to back up your over-arching, bullshit, ignorant statments - shut the fuck up.
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:D What a great way to start my Monday!!! Thanks Phrog!
 
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