The Shenanigans in Top Gun

[xmid]

Those kind of questions are probably best avoided.

Brett

Got it. I figured anyways.

 

[Catmando]

Probably a better Air-to-Air adversary representative than the "real thing" ...

We used to joke that if we were some banana republic dictator, we would never buy any expensive fighters like the Shah of Iran did with F-14's.

No, for the price of say 100 F-14's, we would instead fill the skies with hundreds of those point defense F-5's, and overwhelm any intruding enemy with greater numbers and the F-5's unique, invisibility.

 

[A4sForever]

....... the F-5's unique, invisibility.

No "chit", Senor ... every time I went head-to head against the "Skoshi Tiger" I hated it as I usually couldn't see them (A-4 = no radar -- just the Mark 1 Mod 0 eyeball -- until nearly the merge ... a tough adversary.

 

[Catmando]

Even with a radar.... a low radar cross section.

 

[HarveyBirdman]

ok nobody has commented on Flight of the Intruder yet... realistic, cheesy, did it mention "keeping the faith" too much? At least it showed an actual Mig 17 in there instead of a black F-5 ...

Flight of the Intruder was alright..

It sort of made me cry.

 

[invertedflyer]

ACTUALLY .... someone did "comment" on it ... they said "watch it" ... but nevertheless ... tell me, young Gyrene, what does one such as yourself know about what is "realistic, cheesy, .... and keeping the faith" .... ??? Please tell me ....

How does ... "realistic" & "cheesy" go hand in hand, anyway ... ??? Tell us. I'm all ears ... and eyes.

The night SAM shots/depictions of SAM's tracking were right on .... but you already know that, right???

Whoa there, finger off the trigger my friend... when I said... " was it realistic, cheesy"? etc., I was just asking for opinions, not implying that they were in any way related.

For the record Flight of the Intruder ranks amongst my favorite films of all time... hence my reason for mentioning it... I believe it to be one of the most realistic aviation films out there, the SAM sequences especially so. I haven't come up against them like you have A4s, but it looked pretty accurate compared to things that I have read and heard from experienced aviators such as yourself. I'll never claim to be an expert, not yet at least, just another Marine.

As for being a "Gyrene"... I'll have to ask the word police about that one but it seems to me to have a certain negative conotation..... With regard to previous comments, like I said, never implyed they were related, just asking what people thought about it. Thanks for posting those pictures by the way... nice .50 cal. eh? do Gyrenes typically carry those? ... I'll have to check my sources... maybe I need a few more brett flamings. cheers =)

~S~

 

[Catmando]

*edit* Sabre ... not "saber" ... I must be losin' it.

[Innnnncommmmming!! :splat_125 ]
Should I chalk that up to confusion by age, or should I challenge you on it?

 

[A4sForever]

Whoa there, finger off the trigger my friend... when I said... ... etc., I was just asking for opinions, not implying that they were in any way related.

As for being a "Gyrene"... I'll have to ask the word police about that one but it seems to me to have a certain negative conotation..... ...

1. Then I stand corrected. It won't be the first time ....

2. Gyrene?? I always thought of it in a "positive" sense ... from my formative years I understood it to be a contraction of G.I. + Marine = seagoing soldier, i.e., Gyrene

 

[A4sForever]

[Innnnncommmmming!! :splat_125 ]
Should I chalk that up to confusion by age, or should I challenge you on it?

Probably both ... and then standby for outgoing gas.

 

[invertedflyer]

2. Gyrene?? I always thought of it in a "positive" sense ... from my formative years I understood it to be a contraction of G.I. + Marine = seagoing soldier, i.e., Gyrene

THATS OUTSTANDING... I guess you learn something new everyday.... I'll pass that along to the appropriate channels.

Oh hey I thought the triple-A sequences were also fairly on-point... what do you think? realistic?

 

[Catmando]

Probably both ... and then standby for outgoing gas.

............am now quickly donning the mask!

 

[Brett327]

...maybe I need a few more brett flamings.

Ask and ye shall receive. For the record, relax. You're not even on my radar screen.

Brett

 

[invertedflyer]

*relaxes and slumps down in chair* ... wow, I can lead a normal life now, think of the opportunities...

 

[phrogpilot73]

Thanks for posting those pictures by the way... nice .50 cal. eh? do Gyrenes typically carry those? ... I'll have to check my sources...

It's the SASR... STA (Surveillance, Targeting, Acquisition) employs it in the infantry battalion (and if you're on a FAC tour and RSO'ing a range for them, they'll let you shoot it). I think we had 3. Here's more info on it:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m82.htm

 

[phrogpilot73]

No "chit", Senor ... every time I went head-to head against the "Skoshi Tiger" I hated it as I usually couldn't see them (A-4 = no radar -- just the Mark 1 Mod 0 eyeball -- until nearly the merge ... a tough adversary.

No radar in the Phrog either. I went up against them (VMFT-401) during WTI in Yuma. Even when I knew where they were coming from, had trouble seeing them. When I didn't know where he was coming from, it went something like this:

(Everyone in the flight) "Tally One"

(Me) "No Joy"

(F-5) "Splash 2"

(Me) "FVCK WHERE IS HE?!?"