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T-45 Goshawk question??
- Thread starter bunk22
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So straight down!!
Put it this way, @ 485 KIAS, MRT; 15*ND slowed the plane down... Which was only like .90. Good luck getting to the max rated 1.04M. I'm fairly certain you need balls made of titanium, and a R/MOA area to FL410-Floor. Maybe someone here has done it though? Maybe our infamous sim instructor Mr. Z*****?
MasterBates
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Some 45s are faster than others. The airframes that are noticeable bent don't like to go as fast as others. I've come into the break at the speed of smell a couple times, but it was all gravity assist and managed to make it work where I was coming down all the way to the numbers.
If the sim is to be believed,50 nose down at MRT out of 35K will break the number passing 15k or so.
If the sim is to be believed,50 nose down at MRT out of 35K will break the number passing 15k or so.
I've come downhill from FL410 on FCFs at MRT to get max smack and I never saw the number. Not saying it can't be done, but it wasn't made for it.
And asking that question will probably not win any points from the squadron COs down here. Sounds like you want to get through the number before you hang up your spurs.
And asking that question will probably not win any points from the squadron COs down here. Sounds like you want to get through the number before you hang up your spurs.
Exactly how we attempted it in the A4B...
IIRC , following certain maintenance procedures (possibly engine changes or flight control repairs), maintenance test flights were required..."booming" the a/c was an optional item on the check list...
Up to FL410...five minutes at MRT (LOL)...0 g maneuver (absolute minimum induced drag) into the vertical...initiate pullout at 20,000' AGL...
Got a little "nose tuck" approaching M 1.0...required a lot of back pressure on the stick to get the nose coming up...
! Did it ~4 or 5 times...never failed to post M1.0 + 1 RCH...clean birds, I guess!!BZB...A4s...how's my memory? That sound about right?
Supersonic Flight
That's about how I recall it.
The one proviso that I remember was that supersonic flight was verboten with any external stores (including empty drop tanks). About the only opportunity we ever had to break mach1 was on a PM test hop before installing drops.
As a comparison, my 1st Squadron (VF-94) was flying straight FJ-4 Furys prior to delivery of our 12 factory new A4D-2s (A4Cs). The clean Fury would go supersonic in a 20-30 degree dive/full power from 30K (same J-65 engine as the A4B), without a burble. Wonderful handling jet!
BzB
*YooHoo Blackshoe, where are you?
That's about how I recall it.
The one proviso that I remember was that supersonic flight was verboten with any external stores (including empty drop tanks). About the only opportunity we ever had to break mach1 was on a PM test hop before installing drops.
As a comparison, my 1st Squadron (VF-94) was flying straight FJ-4 Furys prior to delivery of our 12 factory new A4D-2s (A4Cs). The clean Fury would go supersonic in a 20-30 degree dive/full power from 30K (same J-65 engine as the A4B), without a burble. Wonderful handling jet!
BzB
*YooHoo Blackshoe, where are you?
Ha! Not me, I could care less about hitting that nubmer lol. Somebody asked me if it was capable and I didn't know so I asked, that simple. The Bunk is way conservative now days. Perhaps I should have started off that "I don't plan on doing this but would like to ask...." However, I'm not a newbe or wannabe, 16.5 years active so I felt I didn't need to justify my reasoning for the question. If one is going to do something that could be construed as "bad" you don't announce it to everyone. Just my thinking on it.
I figured as much. Just wanted to make sure Sticky and Ferris knew that, too.
What ever squadron I end up flying with, they don't have to worry about me, too old and experienced for any funny shit
Anytime an aviator says 'watch this', it's almost always followed by 'oh shit' and death. A kid asked me if it could supersonic and I told him in a dive probably but I'd ask. They only way to know is if someone had attempted it.Does a wing pilot pick a squadron to fly with and only them? At TW-5, that's how we did it, pick one squadron and that was the only squadron we flew with.
At TW-2 you will most likely fly with both squadrons. Sometimes associates are used to plus up a squadron that needs IPs more, but when the manning is same-same they schedule associates on odd-even days with each squadron. Subject to change, of course, but that's the way it worked when I left a few weeks ago.
TW-5 liked having a consistent roster of pilots at a particular squadron. We would wear the squadron patch we were flying with when we flew.