Yeah, until people get to Erich Hartmann's level, it's all chump change really. (352 kills)
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USN Splash one SU-22 (merged threads)
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Yeah I've seen the tapes, everyone in the world has heard the audio.
-2 did great work though, it would have sucked for lead if he had got both of the Gypsy kills.
Blue Max!
For the group, where the only USN kills in DS by Hornets or did the VFs get any kills? (I know, read the book...).
VF-1 got a MI-8 Hip helo kill.
There were other opportunities for the Tomcat, but none that were realized or resulted in a kill for the F-14 during Desert Storm.
The F-15Cs had the game set for them in Desert Storm, however if you read some of their engagements, some weren't so textbook - like the 4-ship of Eagles that fired 8 x AIM-7s for no kills.
Proof that we measure with a micrometer and cut with a chainsaw sometimes.
So, just between you and I, how much shit talking occurred between VFA and VF over the fact that the hornet drivers had more kills?
How many kills did the 15s end up with?
It was well before my time, so I can't speak to smack talking between the Turkey and Hornet drivers.
USAF F15s ended up with somewhere in the low 30 kills during and immediately after the war.
That's what happens when your combat rotation schedule is "fly till you die". And didn't he get shot down like 7 times?
Yes, Hartmann (and lots of the other high ranking German aces) were shot down / bailed out multiple times during the war.
Hartmann said his secret was never get greedy. Swoop in for a single easy kill and get away. Wash, rinse, repeat for years. Flying multiple missions per day, it adds up (and yes, he got multiple kills on missions but it wasn't his normal MO).
And let's remember the line between HERO and ZERO is mighty thin... as evidenced by the USAF F-15C shootdown of 2 x UH60 US Army Blackhawks in the Northern No Fly zone and other, less well known "ah FUCK" incidents.
Hartmann said his secret was never get greedy. Swoop in for a single easy kill and get away. Wash, rinse, repeat for years. Flying multiple missions per day, it adds up (and yes, he got multiple kills on missions but it wasn't his normal MO).
And let's remember the line between HERO and ZERO is mighty thin... as evidenced by the USAF F-15C shootdown of 2 x UH60 US Army Blackhawks in the Northern No Fly zone and other, less well known "ah FUCK" incidents.
..........not to mention USMC Infantry's love/hate relationship with A-10s. Blue on blue is a nightmare.
I know, I don't get that either.
I read about a Marine who was strafed by A10s in both Desert Storm and OIF...
According to Wikipedia: "During the course of his career, Hartmann was forced to crash-land his fighter 14 times due to damage received from parts of enemy aircraft he had just shot down or mechanical failure. Hartmann was never shot down or forced to land due to enemy fire."
99% sure they do, somewhere at the wing.
Here's what you do: get a group of IPs and bring it up with the front office that you know the video is on SIPR, you know how to search for it, and you want to watch it together. There are plenty of red-blooded, gold-wing-wearing people in the chain of command who will want to watch it too.
Shit, that's twice in one day. He did, however run himself out of gas on his first mission.
If we are taking Wikipedia a face value, that is. I have his autobiography around here somewhere.