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Shave chit affecting flight status?

Gonzo08

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I’ll be the crotchety old fuck that says it.

The variability of dudes and how they can grow beards, I’m glad we have a policy that keeps people from growing one. Guys that grow patchy, thin beards, or scraggly, or whatever, how do you regulate that? It looks like shit and I can guarantee if beards were allowed you’d have a bunch of dudes looking like ass.

There is something to be said about looking sharp and squared away. Eliminating beards helps keep that sharp, overall appearance.
Other countries don't seem to have a problem with it.
 

insanebikerboy

Internet killed the television star
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Other countries don't seem to have a problem with it.
Yeah, we aren’t other countries.

Like I said, I’m a crotchety old fuck and I think it’s a good policy. I don’t think a change for guys with skin issues is a good change though.
 

insanebikerboy

Internet killed the television star
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How well do they perform their jobs?
I mean, why have any uniform rules? You wanna wear a tutu and flip flops in the office, but you’re the best damn yeoman out there, fuck it right?

Dress codes and grooming standards are a good thing.
 

Recovering LSO

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I mean, why have any uniform rules? You wanna wear a tutu and flip flops in the office, but you’re the best damn yeoman out there, fuck it right?
Dude...


At a recent CNAF conference the attendees were asked to get into small groups and discuss standard(s) enforcement: whose job is it to enforce standards; who determines which standards are important; which standards can be disregarded (or less regarded), and so on. In my estimation, if the standard has nothing to do with my squadron’s ability to execute its primary mission, then I don’t have the time or attention to dedicate toward it. Pick your battles. And if you just can’t resist, then try not to pick battles that disproportionately affect specific sub groups of your population.
 
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insanebikerboy

Internet killed the television star
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Dude...


At a recent CNAF conference the attendees were asked to get into small groups and discuss standard(s) enforcement: whose job is it to enforce standards; who determines which standards are important; which standards can be disregarded (or less regarded), and so on. In my estimation, if the standard has nothing to do with my squadron’s ability to execute its primary mission, then I don’t have the time or attention to dedicate toward it. Pick your battles. And if you just can’t resist, then try not to pick battles that disproportionately affect specific suof your population.
I’m not saying the change of the medical beard policy is smart, or a good idea.

I do think that holding to a policy of no beards for the masses is good. Reference my previous post as to why.
 

Angry

NFO in Jax
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When every crew can fly the mission perfectly , when every upgrader is qualified, when every plane is 100% FMC across the board, when every maintenance action is logged appropriately, when every piece of necessary equipment/gear has been procured and trained to proficiency, when everyone in the command maxes out their PT scores, when FNET scores the squadron 100% in every vertical, when there are no more fly weekends, when the flight schedule is released every day before 1400, and when there are no legal cases pending in the squadron...that is the day I will give a shit about the state of other people's facial hair. Until then - there are more important things to worry about.
 

RobLyman

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I'd rather have scraggly beards than fat bodies
I'm pretty something similar was said...then this was created for the Army. Every piece of equipment you see in use (plus some) is required to conduct this new test. Be careful what you ask for. And if you are an O6 and above, be careful before you inflict something on your people.

I seriously think people need to try to resist changing things, especially when there is little documented true need for it. Change can be good, when needed. It is not good just because someone wants it.

Change the grooming standards. Change the uniform regs…so you can wear rainbow patches on your uniform...I'm lookin at you US Navy. Create a digital camo that is ridiculous (Army & Navy...maybe even Air Force). Our military and government keeps looking for problems to fit a desired solution.

The examples I have personally witnessed sporting no-shave chits represent at least a 5:1 dirtbag to well maintained ratio. YMMV.
 
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NavyOffRec

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It is interesting in that the same conversation that is happening here happened on a nuke site I am on, big surprise most nukes would prefer not to shave, but as it turns out many of those that are now working in civilian nuke plants can grow beards and such, but twice a year they have to be clean shaven for fitting/refitting of mask.
 
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