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Racism in the Military
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What is there to understand? At its core, it's a content aggregator. If you want to engage in conversation, then you can do so.
For those who may not be aware of the history of systemic racism in the Navy, this is a good article to read. It's written by a career SWO, who happens to be black, and links to other articles that are interesting as well.
https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2020/june/case-renaming-uss-john-c-stennis
The main argument of the article is for renaming the Stennis. I admit, I had no idea what the history of John Stennis was, and the author makes some powerful points.
This is different that honoring than names of Confederate leaders and the Confederate battle flag. Those things are symbols of the armed opposition in a war against the Union in order to preserve slavery - much easier decision. In the case of Stennis, people may say 'it's not fair to judge a person's actions in the 30's, 40's and 50's by today's standards. But the decision to name the ship was made in the 80s. Was the history of Stennis really worth the honor given the time the decision was made?
As to renaming the ship, I have no idea how to deal with the superstitions and voodoo involved. Has a capital ship ever been renamed during it's active life?
https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2020/june/case-renaming-uss-john-c-stennis
The main argument of the article is for renaming the Stennis. I admit, I had no idea what the history of John Stennis was, and the author makes some powerful points.
This is different that honoring than names of Confederate leaders and the Confederate battle flag. Those things are symbols of the armed opposition in a war against the Union in order to preserve slavery - much easier decision. In the case of Stennis, people may say 'it's not fair to judge a person's actions in the 30's, 40's and 50's by today's standards. But the decision to name the ship was made in the 80s. Was the history of Stennis really worth the honor given the time the decision was made?
As to renaming the ship, I have no idea how to deal with the superstitions and voodoo involved. Has a capital ship ever been renamed during it's active life?
nodropinufaka
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Very interesting read.
I’m not sure how that would work renaming it. Don’t think it has ever happened.
nodropinufaka
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on a related note, an incoming Plebe was just un-appointed by USNA for racist tweets
https://www.usna.edu/NewsCenter/2020/06/STATEMENT_BY_THE_U.S._NAVAL_ACADEMYS_DEAN_OF_ADMISSIONS1.php
Naval Academy rescinds offer of appointment for Maryland student who wrote racist messages
The Naval Academy has rescinded an offer of appointment to a Maryland student after the institution was notified of racist messages the student made. The student, who attended a Montgomery County h…www.capitalgazette.com
interesting that he is of Asian descent
Yes, many times, but almost always this occurred after a change in possession (e.g. privateering or wartime capture).
I still don’t see an upside...
Yes, I should have specified "ever been renamed while in the active service of the same navy?"
USS Merrimack / CSS Virginia comes to mind
There were possibly a lot of renamings during the commissioning of private vessels into USS, USNS, or USCG service at the outset of WW1 and WW2, but I’m not able to look it up right now.
I just read Stennis’ bio on wikipedia. Nothing strikes me as very worthy of an aircraft carrier. He did not serve in the Navy or accomplish anything particularly courageous in his life. Obviously, the Navy and DoD have often played (and will continue to play) to egos in Congress to achieve tactical appropriations victories. But yeah, let’s rename it, why not. It doesn’t cost anything to rename it.
out of curiosity, why is that interesting? is it surprising?
Lots of renaming in WWII timeframe. For instance, CVE-63 was renamed from USS MIDWAY to USS ST LO so that the Midway name could be used by CVB-41.
ST LO was sunk. Womp womp.
Yep, first major ship to be sunk by a kamikaze.
interesting...
Midway returned to Seeadler Harbor in Papua New Guinea 3 October 1944. There, word arrived that the escort carrier had been renamed St. Lo, on 10 October, to free the name Midway for a new attack carrier
St Lo deployed 2 days later, and operated at Leyte Gulf, with the infamous "Taffy 3" and was sunk by kamikazes on 25 Oct, 2 weeks after changing names.
Midway returned to Seeadler Harbor in Papua New Guinea 3 October 1944. There, word arrived that the escort carrier had been renamed St. Lo, on 10 October, to free the name Midway for a new attack carrier
St Lo deployed 2 days later, and operated at Leyte Gulf, with the infamous "Taffy 3" and was sunk by kamikazes on 25 Oct, 2 weeks after changing names.